Please help with this list : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:03 am

Hey everyone I am trying to start up oblivion again and I got a list of mods here that I want to use but my game keeps crashing after a few moments of gameplay....Can anyone please help me see what I should drop or need to add to keep it running so I can play

Mod List

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  You Are Here.esm04  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]05  MD_Saddle_Master.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]07  SewerExpansion.esm08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm09  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]0A  UnnecessaryViolence.esm0B  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]0C  ScreenEffects.esm0D  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0E  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]13  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]14  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]16  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp17  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp18  Rainbows.esp19  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]1A  Bedrollsanyone.esp1B  ImprovedSigns.esp1C  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1D  Get Wet - just droplets.esp1E  Note to Self.esp1F  DLCHorseArmor.esp20  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]21  DLCOrrery.esp22  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]23  DLCVileLair.esp24  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]25  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp26  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]27  DLCSpellTomes.esp28  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]29  Book Jackets DLC.esp2A  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp2B  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp2C  RustyItems.esp2D  Thieves Arsenal.esp2E  Rope Ladders v1.esp2F  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp30  AncientTowers.esp31  DLCThievesDen.esp32  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]33  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]34  ExnemRuneskulls.esp35  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]36  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]37  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]38  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp39  OOO-BirthSigns.esp3A  OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp3B  OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp3C  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 0.2]3D  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]3E  SkingradBridgeLights.esp3F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp40  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp41  The Imperial Water.esp42  SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp43  SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp44  TheForgottenRealm.esp45  thievery.esp46  Valenwood Improved.esp  [Version 1.02.0]47  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp48  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp49  Windfall.esp4A  Window Entrances 1.0.esp4B  za_bankmod.esp4C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp4D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4E  DLCFrostcrag.esp4F  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]50  Knights.esp51  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]52  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp53  Blood&Mud.esp54  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp55  ElsweyrAnequina.esp56  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.2]57  ElsweyrAnequinaFemaleBody.esp58  Elsweyr plantations & co..esp59  ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp5A  Walkabout.esp5B  Forgotten Realm PTMudwater Patch.esp5C  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]5D  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]5E  xulTheHeath.esp5F  XulEntiusGorge.esp60  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]61  Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]62  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]63  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]64  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]65  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]66  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]67  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]68  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]69  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]6A  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]6B  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]6C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]6D  xulPantherRiver.esp6E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6F  Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]70  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]71  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]72  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]73  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]74  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]75  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]76  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]77  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp78  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]79  DEJ Harvest - Flora.esp7A  Book Placement v2.esp  [Version 2.0]7B  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp7C  Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp  [Version 1.0]7D  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]7E  ReneersGoldMod.esp7F  RealisticHealth.esp80  RealisticForceHigh.esp81  Scorn's Vampirism 2.esp82  Druid Mod.esp83  MidasSpells.esp84  FearsomeMagicka.esp85  RshAlchemy.esp86  RshAlchemyRecipes.esp87  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]88  StealthOverhaul.esp89  Stealth Entrances v1.esp8A  RenGuardOverhaul.esp8B  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 5]8C  OOO-Level_Slow.esp8D  Useful Houses.esp  [Version 2.0]8E  PHVanillaEyesAddon.esp8F  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]90  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp91  Chocolate Elves.esp92  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]93  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp94  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]95  QTdof.esp96  UnnecessaryViolence.esp97  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]98  SoulMeld.esp99  BloodPotions.esp9A  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]9B  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.1]9C  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.4]9D  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.2]9E  Maps of Cyrodiil.esp9F  Bards of Cyrodiil.espA0  Better Abandoned House.espA1  Populated Prisons.espA2  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.espA3  BDBS - Chapel Memorial.espA4  Mark And Recall - Lesser Powers.esp  [Version 1.2]A5  Mark And Recall SI - Lesser Powers.esp  [Version 1.2]A6  Necronasium.espA7  Duke Patricks - Combat Magic II.espA8  Duke Patricks - Fortress of Fear.espA9  ShiveringIslesTransportationNetwork.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: TamrielTransportationNetwork.espAA  TamrielTransportationNetwork.espAB  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]AC  Oblivifall - New Classes.esp  [Version 1.2]AD  Cliff_RPO_NewBeginnings_RPC.esp  [Version 1.0]

Thanks everyone I appreciate your time and help with this

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:54 am

All the help I can give you so far is that ... thats a [censored] load of mods and as far as I can see a lot of them should conflict with eachother.. although there are a lot of mods that I don't even know what are. Have you tried using BOSS this is probably a unnecessary question but I'm just asking. Also I'd have to say that oblivifall would conflict with everything although when it simply crashes like thats its usually the reason that a master is missing. I honestly don't know anything about oblivifall.
TamrielTransportationNetwork is really laggy as far as I remember I would rather use M.O.E. - Travel Services there are also other plugins that are very good ( the full name is Modular Oblivion Enhanced by thePOSTALdude )
If I remember correctly I had some problems running AmbientDungeons ( not the mod exactly I had some problems with YouAreHere )
You are running everything with OOO too.. this is a maze

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:07 am

Here's your problem:

----> Delinquent MASTER: TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:06 am

lol so how do I fix this? get rid of that file? Sorry I am such a newb >_<

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:36 am

lol so how do I fix this? get rid of that file? Sorry I am such a newb >_<

Yeah probably.. just remove it
I recommend M.O.E. Travel Services since its less laggy than that and gives prices on how much does the traveling cost

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:00 am

Oh okay thanks ^_^ appreciate the help greatly . Anything else I should fix or add?

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:22 pm

Just a quick glance, but you're missing resource esm's for both Better Cities and OOO. Also missing any of the Better Cities esp's, all you have is the resource loading esp (13 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] ) which is extremely out of date. Current version is 4.9.7.

You'd benefit greatly by using Wrye Bash and creating a bashed patch for that load order. Make sure you're sorting with BOSS too.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:45 am

You are missing Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm, you do not need #33. You need to run http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516 and read the log it generates.
I need to read the Cobl readme, but I think you are using more race esp's than you need.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:53 am

Oh okay thanks ^_^ appreciate the help greatly . Anything else I should fix or add?

You should be fine for now, you shouldn't add anything.. at all you already have too much stuff. I'm just wondering when will your game blow up at you. I really want to know if OOO works fine with Oblivifall, I don't really know if there are any conflicts between them but if you find some things strange in your game don't be surprised. I would work on removing some stuff ( I know you find it that you need everything here but you are probably better off without so many things ) but still its your choice.
There's quite a lot of stuff here. thevery.esp I don't know what that is I'm guessing its thevery in the imperial city, thieves arsenal has some issues with ren's guard overhaul, stealth overhaul might conflict with either of these. Vanilla eyes addon It might conflict with COBL races as far as I know but I don't know what does that mod acually do. Instead of using OOO-Level slow use the mod called Realistic Leveling ( its fully configuratible ) you might not experience the same magic experience or alchemy with the level mod. Blood and mud patches for better cities if they are necessary, there are several other patches if I'm right, you might experience land tears troughout the land because of unique landscapes and several other mods, brotherhood renewed and better dark brotherhood sanctuary compatible? The last one on the list is that a new starting mod? I never heard about it if you are having problems starting the game then you might want to look at one of M.O.E. New Start or what was it called again.. alternate start I forgot.
All Natural if it isn't using its own weather mod then you should be fine, you might experience some weather issues too.
Would you mind reminding me of what does RealisticHealth and RealisticForceHigh does do? Also tell if Scorn's Vampirism affects all other vampires besides yourself
You should be fine for now but don't be confused if there are some weird things popping into your game
EDIT:

I need to read the Cobl readme, but I think you are using more race esp's than you need.

There is no need for you to read the readme again both esp's can be used the balanced esp should be simply merged into bashed patch

As stated above why don't you have a OOO master ? Any reason for that?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:30 am

What are the ESM? are they part of the files with the mod or do I have to make one and @Dark Hound....Yea I was starting to realize that myself. I just don't know which mods to cut from the list. Also it tends to crash when I am about to do a guaranteed stutter moment...Like when you enter a town or begin to talk to a person in a busy area quick turning so on and so fourth. But so far I haven't seen anything related to Oblivifall and OOO that would strike me as awkward.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:20 am

What are the ESM? are they part of the files with the mod or do I have to make one and @Dark Hound....Yea I was starting to realize that myself. I just don't know which mods to cut from the list. Also it tends to crash when I am about to do a guaranteed stutter moment...Like when you enter a town or begin to talk to a person in a busy area quick turning so on and so fourth. But so far I haven't seen anything related to Oblivifall and OOO that would strike me as awkward.

An esm is a Master file, but many mods do not use them. The download for OOO should contain the esm, meshes, textures, sounds, and the esp files.
When I said I need to check the Cobl readme it was because you have TNR All RACES FINAL.esp in your Load Order, and it is an extra esp that you do not need when using the Cobl TNR plugins.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:27 pm

Well, Malakye, if you don't know what an esm is, I suggest you do some research before going any further. They're master files of esp's, except of course in the case of oblivion.esm which is the master of all masters. What you have is not actually a large load order, I've seen far worse. It's completely manageable if done the right way.

How are you installing these mods? In the case of OOO and Better Cities, don't try to do it manually, that'd be crazy. Use OBMM or Wrye Bash's BAIN and these tools will guide you through the install.
And I can't stress this enough. READ the README's. Modders write them for a reason, to help you install their mods properly.

For your stutter problem, get http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208. You'll need to also get the latest release of OBSE.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:54 pm

Well, Malakye, if you don't know what an esm is, I suggest you do some research before going any further. They're master files of esp's, except of course in the case of oblivion.esm which is the master of all masters. What you have is not actually a large load order, I've seen far worse. It's completely manageable if done the right way.

How are you installing these mods? In the case of OOO and Better Cities, don't try to do it manually, that'd be crazy. Use OBMM or Wrye Bash's BAIN and these tools will guide you through the install.
And I can't stress this enough. READ the README's. Modders write them for a reason, to help you install their mods properly.

For your stutter problem, get http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208. You'll need to also get the latest release of OBSE.

I agree with the post above you should check that
I'm interested in knowning your PC properties like whats your RAM and processor and graphics card

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:24 am

The very first thing that should be addressed is OOO.
Unless your using version 1.32 which is completely obsolete, Oscuro's simply doesn't load without the master file. You'll find the current version on the OOO homepage which normally will be found on the first 2/3 pages here on the forum.
As has been suggested, run your load order through BOSS and then address the issues it highlights.
Correct these then re-run BOSS.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:03 am

Mod List

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Active Mod Files:08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm - don't use 1.0 version09  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1] - probably outdated0C  ScreenEffects.esm - require the latest OBSE10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp - can be removed16  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp - probably need OBGE v21C  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.1] - require OBSE2B  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp - should use bash tags30  AncientTowers.esp - could be an issue3F  52  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp - should use bash tags55  ElsweyrAnequina.esp - update to 3.0 version56  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.2] - should use bash tags7B  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp - should use bash tags8F  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5] - read the readme90  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp - read the readme91  Chocolate Elves.esp - read the readme

I suggest that you should start with an install of BOSS, Wrye Bash, UOP+Supplementals and install every missing required mod that you need. You can use http://search.yacoby.net/ to search for the updates you need, but also read every guide there is on http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/ and here is the thread for a http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1106994-tesivpositive-installation-guides/.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:53 am

(Re: ----> Delinquent MASTER: TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp)

lol so how do I fix this? get rid of that file? Sorry I am such a newb >_<

No. Your problem is this:

A9 ShiveringIslesTransportationNetwork.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp
AA TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp

You have ShiveringIslesTransportationNetwork.esp loaded before a file that it depends upon.

Simply move TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp up above ShiveringIslesTransportationNetwork.esp
Better yet, as repeatedly advised; Use BOSS to set your load order, which will place them correctly for you.