Is ~75 playtime normal for a LO this large/complex? : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:34 am

Edit: Title should say 75 minutes :brokencomputer:

Seems kinda low, even by the standards of modded Oblivion, but I wanted to get consensus from others with a mod-heavy game. And yes I have employed the 4gb patch, but didn't notice any difference.

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» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:20 am

Seems kinda low to me. Might wanna test and see if the LAA patch is actually doing anything.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:20 am

Seems kinda low to me. Might wanna test and see if the LAA patch is actually doing anything.

I reapplied the patch (downloaded from this location; http://ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php) to the Oblivion.exe, but to no avail. Actually, the last two tests I've run since posting, I crashed early after a mere 20-30 minutes

I'm like 99% sure that my installation process on this play-through was by the book, so I'm hoping it's a mod conflict, as the prospect of doing a full reinstall is horrifying :yucky: Hopefully the standard of disabling mods 1 at a time will provide some insights. At least I know that 75 minutes isn't normal.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:48 am

It takes 75 minutes to load your Oblivion? Have you considered playing a game, while your game loads?

FuseSnailRacing-ImperialIsle patch.esp

Isn't this out of date? The 1.4 version of Fuse Snail Racing only requires a patch if you use Unique Landscapes, and you don't.

I've never played an FCOM version, but I do use MMM. As I recall, if you're running OOO or Fran's, special MMM esps are required.

Have you BOSS'd your modlist?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:16 am

It takes 75 minutes to load your Oblivion? Have you considered playing a game, while your game loads?

Isn't this out of date? The 1.4 version of Fuse Snail Racing only requires a patch if you use Unique Landscapes, and you don't.

I've never played an FCOM version, but I do use MMM. As I recall, if you're running OOO or Fran's, special MMM esps are required.

Have you BOSS'd your modlist?

You misunderstand, I get 75 minutes of playtime between crashes. Also check the list again, I have every single UL mods

And with this many mods, BOSS is a requirement, so yes.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:38 am

I run a similiar Load Order on my 32-bit desktop, and can get almost four hours of playtime. I use StreamSave and Streampurge, and Oblivion Stutter Remover. I can not take advantage of the LAA patch, so I try and make sure I have the most current versions of all of the mods I have installed, and that I follow the installation instructions on mods like FCOM/Unique Landscapes/Better Cities contained in the readme files and release threads, and I try to keep all of the needed patches current.
I quit using Autosaves because they could lead to a CTD when I transitioned between cells, and Quicksaves occasionally lost quest updates that lead to corrupt saves.
I also have a laptop with a 64 bit OS that needs the LAA patch to run the same load order. 214 active 299 installed.
EDIT my desktop uses Better Cities, my laptop uses OCR.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:49 am

You misunderstand, I get 75 minutes of playtime between crashes.

75 minutes between crashes, and with FCOM, as well as other mods: frankly, not that bad, from what I read in the experiences of others, who usually go 2-4 hours before crashing. Still, you're right, it can probably be improved. Might want to post your list up in the latest FCOM thread, for the gurus there to comment on.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:42 am

Take a look at http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208 if you're not using it. Experiment with the heap replacement feature. The Windows algorithm is the safest. You can try using the others, but if you start getting BSOD it's because of the algorithm you're using. ThreadHeap3 will constantly give me a BSOD when changing exterior cells on a FCOM install. The other ThreadHeaps happen less often, but still do it. FastMM4 is inconsistent with the CTDs for me, and TBBMalloc will CTD for me instantly when trying to load or start a game. Note that the heap size only affects the ThreadHeap algorithms. The hash table replacement will give a decent improvement to the amount of time you can play the game, just don't use the dynamic resizing.

I use Windows Vista x64, Intel Core 2 QX6700, and 4GB of RAM. This is my OSR configuration:

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Master = {	_comment = You can turn on or off each distinct feature from here.	bManageFPS = 1	bHookCriticalSections = 1	bHookHashtables = 1	bReplaceHeap = 1	bLogToConsole = 0	bFix64Hertz = 1	bExtraProfiling = 0	bFlushLog = 1	iSchedulingResolution = 1	bReplaceRandom = 1	bExperimentalStuff = 1	iMainHookPoint = 1}Experimental = {	iReduceLongSleep = 1	bRemoveShortSleep = 0	iThreadsFixedToCPUs = 0	bSuppressRandomSeeding = 0	bMonitorBSShaderAccumulator = 0	iPrintSceneGraphDepth = 0	bReplaceRandomWrappers = 1	bBenchmarkHeap = 0	bAlternate64HertzFix = 0	bAlternateHeapHooks = 0	iHeapMainBlockAddress = 0}FPS_Management = {	_comment = Basic FPS stuff, switches to slow-motion on low FPS; in the past this has occaisonally produced bugs like the NPCs-dropping-dead issue; the issues are believed to be fixed but if you suspect you are having related problems you can try disabling bAllowSlowMotion which is the main suspect for any problems relating to FPS management	bAllowSlowMotion = 0	MaximumFPS = 40	MinimumFPS = 10	iSmoothFrames = 0	iSmoothMode = 0	iSleepExtra = 2	iFPS_Frequency = 4000	iSchedulingParanoia = 1	iHardMaxFrametime = 200}CriticalSections = {	_comment = CS stuff helps Oblivion, Fallout, and New Vegas significantly	_comment = most of the benefit comes from the Renderer+0x180 suppression (see overrides below)	_comment = modes: 1=vanilla, 2=fair, 3=staggering, 5=suppressed, 6=prioritize-main-thread, 7=deprioritize-main-thread	bEnableProfiling = 0	bEnableMessages = 1	bUseOverrides = 1	iDefaultMode = 2	iDefaultSpin = 2400	iStaggerLevel = 5}Heap = {	_comment = Heap replacement can produce MAJOR improvements in performance on Oblivion at a significant cost in stability	_comment = It crashes instantly on Fallout3, and would only produce a small performance improvement there anyway	_comment = It is not supported at all on Fallout: New Vegas at this time	_comment = Algorithms: 1=FastMM4, 2=Microsoft (slow on XP), 3=SimpleHeap1, 4=TBBMalloc, 5=ThreadHeap2, 6=ThreadHeap3, 8=tcmalloc	_comment = Algorithms numbers 1, 4, and 8 require external DLL files in the Data/OBSE/Plugins/ComponentDLLs folder	iHeapAlgorithm = 2	bEnableProfiling = 0	iHeapSize = 1024	bEnableMessages = 0	iGenericFreeDelay = 0	bZeroAllocations = 0}Hashtables = {	_comment = The dynamic resizing option is buggy and not recommended.  	bAllowDynamicResizing = 0	bUseOverrides = 1	bEnableProfiling = 0	bEnableMessages = 0	bEnableExtraMessages = 0	iHashtableResizeScale1 = 2	iHashtableResizeScale2 = 4	iHashtableResizeDelay = 20}

You have to decide whether to use Streamline's or OSR's FPS management and not use both at the same time. In my opinion OSR is better because it manages FPS by managing the use of CPU cycles so that when it hits the maximum FPS you set it will free up more CPU cycles for other game processes. I use Streamline for just Streampurge and Streamsight.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:51 am

Interesting information ArmeniusLOD. I do use OSR and SL. For SL, I only have Save and Purge enabled.

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set SLv.Purging to 1 ; Turn on Streampurge? (cache purging)
set SLv.FPSsmoothing to 0 ; Turn on Streamsmooth? (FPS smoothing)
set SLv.Streamsaving to 1 ; Turn on Streamsaving? (timed autosaves)
set SLv.Streamsight to 0 ; Turn on Streamsight? (FPS enhancer)

My system is also Dual Core + 4gb Ram (plus sound card and 1gb GPU for what it's worth). However, I wasn't aware that the ThreadHeap option would affect FCOM so badly. I'll copy/paste your OSR config and see what happens.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:30 pm

75 minutes seems good Mine would usually range from like 20 minutes to 3-4 hours if I'm lucky, and I had like 150+ esps on my old install

None of your mods really stand out as "problem childeren", so you should be pretty good.... Is a little weird seeing LAME, SI, and RBP without Integration though

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:32 pm

The Core 2 QX6700 is actually a quad-core, so you will probably have to adjust iDefaultSpin in CriticalSections. Make sure you're using the latest version or else the configuration might either not work or break things. I also didn't include the Overrides section at the end of the file since nothing there is changed, so make sure you keep those.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:11 am

phoenix1213, are you referring to the Stranded Light quest, or is Integration some compatibility thing I am unaware of? Using the new OSR settings, I crashed at 30 minutes, though I think it was because of Steamave (sometimes it works, sometimes it tries and fails :shrug:) I'll adjust the iDefaultSpin setting a bit closer to the original value and see what happens. For these tests, I'm not doing any dungeons or quests. Just running loops around the map exploring, with minimal fighting. I'm also reaching the end of the fluff mods I can deactivate; stuff I enjoy but don't really need on this character, like the 2 Imperial/Cyrodiil Vault mods. 3-4 hours of playtime would be amazing, but at this point I would settle for 2 if it means keeping all this awesome stuff :brokencomputer:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:41 pm

phoenix1213, are you referring to the Stranded Light quest, or is Integration some compatibility thing I am unaware of? Using the new OSR settings, I crashed at 30 minutes, though I think it was because of Steamave (sometimes it works, sometimes it tries and fails :shrug:) I'll adjust the iDefaultSpin setting a bit closer to the original value and see what happens. For these tests, I'm not doing any dungeons or quests. Just running loops around the map exploring, with minimal fighting. I'm also reaching the end of the fluff mods I can deactivate; stuff I enjoy but don't really need on this character, like the 2 Imperial/Cyrodiil Vault mods. 3-4 hours of playtime would be amazing, but at this point I would settle for 2 if it means keeping all this awesome stuff :brokencomputer:

Streamsave never added any benefit in my experience, so I turned it off. On my setup I can play a FCOM install for 2-3 hours before a CTD. I've also cleaned all plugins and PyFFI'd all meshes needing it.

Like I said, you can experiment with the heap replacement stuff and find what works best for you. You may find turning it off is best, so get to it :tongue: .

Oh, by the way, Integration is a mod by the same author of RBP and LAME that expands some lore stuff and integrates seamlessly with those mods. The RELz thread can be found http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1184421-relz-integration-the-stranded-light/.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:15 am

Eh I don't use the ram patch and I get 1-2 hours, sometimes twice that and sometimes half that.
My LO is and my system isn't incredibly powerful either. I'm not sure what exactly I did this time around, but I am extremely happy thats things turned out this perfect ^_^ I hope yours is a simple conflict or somthing so it can be resolved quickly and painlessly. I use SL and OSR as well.

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Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.77]++  DremoraFemales.esp**  Better Redguard v2.esp86  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]87  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]88  kuerteeDetectLifeEffectNightEyeShader.esp++  bgMagicEVNoSummonGlow.esp  [Version 1.62EV]++  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.esp**  Open Cities Classic Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]89  Bashed Patch, 0.esp8A  Duke Patricks - Fortress of Fear.esp8B  Duke Patricks - Combat Magic II.esp8C  Cannt touch me!.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:08 am

I have Pyffi'd everything I can, but haven't been brave enough to clean mods yet

Now that I think about it though; during the Pyffi process, I might have accidentally used Pyffi on that one NightMother Statue mesh in the vanilla BSA. Is that enough to cause such early crashes? I'll try experimenting with the various Heap settings. Right now my biggest concern is that my character is too far into the game to be corrected. Like even if I did a perfect clean install, the save file will always crash early. Rebuilding the Patch now...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:13 pm

MMM - Gems & Gem Dust is incompatible with FCOM :whistling: .

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:44 am

You need to update some of the mods in your Load Order, All Natural is at Version 1.3. Your FCOM setup has a few extra/missing esp's- example FCOM-Cobl, OOO 1.32-Cobl, and MMM Cobl. The MMM -Cobl version you want is 1.73, and the link to an updated version of Cobl is in the FCOM release thread(The update is to upgrade version 1.72 to 1.73 and has some newer plugins) You do not want to use FCOM-Cobl, and the OOO 1.32-Cobl is optional.
Do not use MMM Gems & Gem dust plugins with an FCOM build. I would add the Francesco's Optional Levelled Gaurds.esp to rest of the Francesco's esp's in your Load Order.
Use one of the FCOM Gaurd Unity Plugins, not both.
The MMM Diverse Waterlife needs to be updated to version 3.7b3p3f - The version you have causes NPC's to swim instead of walking along the docks in the Imperial Waterfront.
NRB is at version 4.6.
EDIT use the second link in my signature for getting the updated FCOM/Cobl/MMM plugins-The MMM diverse Waterlife plugin is avaialable from the MMM thread.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:34 pm

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

According to Core PC that does not belong in an FCOM install. I had to remove mine. The one below is the one you want.

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp

As the First one would Require Gems and Gem Dust , that was just suggested to remove.

I Read a ton and listened to all these Guys. I am loading 233 Mods, FCOM and I rarely ever crash, I play 8-10 hour sessions. And I close Oblivion. Also took me 6 months to Build my install one mod at a time.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Wow, I knew I would have to do some updates, but I had no idea I was so far out of date :facepalm: Thanks for the info everyone

While I doubt I can achieve 8-10 hour sessions on this character, hopefully getting all of these updates straightened out will put me at a more respectable 3-4 hours.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:09 am

Wow, I knew I would have to do some updates, but I had no idea I was so far out of date :facepalm: Thanks for the info everyone

While I doubt I can achieve 8-10 hour sessions on this character, hopefully getting all of these updates straightened out will put me at a more respectable 3-4 hours.

Lol...Greatest Oblivion moment......you look up at a clock and think...Ohhh crap I just played for 6 hours! I gotta close the game.hehehe