Frequent crashing while zoning or waiting : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:16 pm

I'm experiencing frequent crashing while zoning or waiting. I can play just fine for about 15-30 minutes, running freely wherever I like. I've tried using Streamline and purging, also installed BOSS, weOCPS and stutter remover. I've waited countless days in the testinghall hoping for a quick fix, but no such luck. It's really grating on me that I have to either fast travel or movetoqt wherever I want to go, I feel as though I'm missing out on WHY I'm playing..no sense of adventure.

Is my cpu holding me back? Or is there something more I'm missing? I read posts here about people being able to play FCOM setups crash-free up until they hit the memory barrier (some say they can play for 3-4 hours at a time!) I can't even make it 45 minutes without having to reload the game. For what it's worth, my computer is prime95 and OCCT stable for 8+ hours. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

System specs are as follows:
AMD Athlon 64 x2 4600 @ 2.4Ghz
9600GT 1GB
2GB OCZ Platinum
DFI Lanparty NF4-Ultra D
Audigy 2ZS
XP SP3 32-bit
(Hard drives defragged weekly)

Modlist

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]03  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]04  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]06  HorseCombatMaster.esm07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]08  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]0A  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]0B  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]0C  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]0D  DLCOrrery.esp0E  DLCVileLair.esp0F  DLCSpellTomes.esp10  DLCThievesDen.esp11  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]13  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]14  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]15  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]16  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]17  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]18  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]1A  ArmoryLab.esp1B  Cheydinhal House.esp1C  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp1D  DLCFrostcrag.esp1E  Knights.esp1F  The Lost Spires.esp**  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]20  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]21  BlackAzurasStar.esp22  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp23  HideHelms.esp24  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]25  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Short Grass V3.esp26  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]27  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp28  Advanced Magecraft.esp29  Mighty Magick - Settings.esp2A  Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.esp++  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp2B  MidasSpells.esp2C  Multiple Enchantments.esp2D  attack and hide easier v2.1.esp2E  RenGuardOverhaul.esp2F  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp30  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp31  Oblivion XP.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]32  Beautiful People.esp33  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp34  TheOubliette.esp35  1310-Chamelion-NoRefraction-TESSource.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]36  Bashed Patch, 0.esp37  Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:39 pm

1. Turn off autosave on wait/travel/rest if you haven't already.

2. Update your FCOM install. You should use UFCOM, OOO 1.34 Beta 5 etc. if using the latest MMM.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:56 am

You should get more RAM,if you have the extra slots to install it, 2Gb is not a lot for an FCOM install and your OS to work. You need to update OOO to version 1.34, and you could use the MMM Runeskulls plugin instead of the Exnem Runeskulls.
Your FCOM setup is a little outdated, but the FCOM release thread has the links to get it current.
Use the links in my signature for links to the updates you need, You should get the Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch and the Unofficial Official Mods Patch, and the Supplemental Patches by Arthmoor.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:59 pm

Thank you both for the replies. I've updated my UOP, FCOM and OOO mods, waited for respawn and things seem to be improved slightly. My crashes during travels aren't as frequent, but earlier today I found the perfect example of what's happening. I'm traveling from Bruma to the Ancestor moth temple, and as soon as I get there I get the crash. I can confirm it isn't a corrupt spawn, as reloading and traveling there again results in no crash whatsoever. Keep in mind it only takes me roughly 5 minutes to run there, surely I can't be hitting my RAM limit ceiling already can I?

Would it be better for this ancient computer if I were to disable FCOM and just run OOO? I enjoy the extras that MMM adds but can do without them for the sake of stability.

EDIT: I'll be looking for another set of OCZ ram, I see quite a few sets on ebay. Hoping that'll help as well even though I'm on a 32-bit OS.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:43 am

Gonna be tough with only 2 gig ram....but things you can try..

With FCOM try a reduced Spawn, just to much AI processing going on in the world.
Try clean boot, or use game booster to shut down unnecessary process.
HTFpcb Extended

Even if your OS is using 500 meg ram. that only leaves Oblivion 1.5 Meg to play with.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee72/camaro_69_327/2010%20Oblivion/Oblivion2_5hours02.jpg We can see in the PIC at 2.5 hours in Oblivion exe is using 3.5 Gig all by its lonesome...

But i will say this since adding the HTFpcb to my arsenal even when I go 5 -8 hours Oblivion rarely goes over 2.2 Gig used.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:42 pm

Thanks for the tips, I'm using the reduced spawn esp file currently, I'll look into the HTFpcb Extended. Thanks again!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:09 am

Would it be better for this ancient computer if I were to disable FCOM and just run OOO? I enjoy the extras that MMM adds but can do without them for the sake of stability.

I'm running a stable FCOM+ setup on an ancient rig with only 1 GB RAM and it's very stable (except for overload CTDs if playing "too long"). With FCOM compared to OOO it's mainly the spawns that adds a performance hit and that can be addressed by using a reduced spawns esp. Also, post your updated load order via Wrye Bash. Did you turn off autosave btw?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:39 am

Arkngt: Never used auto/quicksaves, disabled them before I started this avatar. I always stick with streamsaves

Thank you for taking the time to check my load order, I've been doing this for years but still can't get it "right". Anywho, I read through the FCOM RLZ thread, and installed the updates I seemed to be missing. If you see anything still outdated, smack me on the head as I probably missed it.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]04  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  HorseCombatMaster.esm07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]08  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]++  Symphony of Violence.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]0B  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]0C  HTFpcb Extended.esp0D  Streamline 3.0.esp0E  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]0F  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]10  DLCOrrery.esp11  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]12  DLCVileLair.esp13  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]14  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]15  DLCThievesDen.esp16  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]17  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]18  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1B  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]1C  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]1D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]1E  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]1F  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]21  ArmoryLab.esp22  Cheydinhal House.esp23  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp24  DLCFrostcrag.esp25  Knights.esp26  The Lost Spires.esp**  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]27  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]28  BlackAzurasStar.esp29  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp2A  HideHelms.esp2B  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]2C  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Short Grass V3.esp2D  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]2E  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp2F  Advanced Magecraft.esp30  Mighty Magick - Settings.esp31  Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.esp++  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp32  MidasSpells.esp33  Multiple Enchantments.esp34  attack and hide easier v2.1.esp35  RenGuardOverhaul.esp36  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp37  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp38  Oblivion XP.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]39  Beautiful People.esp3A  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp3B  TheOubliette.esp3C  1310-Chamelion-NoRefraction-TESSource.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]3D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp3E  Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:04 am

Arkngt: Never used auto/quicksaves, disabled them before I started this avatar. I always stick with streamsaves

Thank you for taking the time to check my load order, I've been doing this for years but still can't get it "right". Anywho, I read through the FCOM RLZ thread, and installed the updates I seemed to be missing. If you see anything still outdated, smack me on the head as I probably missed it.

Some notes:

08 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] - Skip and use the Bashed Patch tweak instead.

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] - Update. It's at 0.78 now (unless I've missed updating it myself...).

0D Streamline 3.0.esp - Definitely update to 3.1 and don't forget the patch.

18 ExnemRuneskulls.esp - Not needed as it is merged now.
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] - Not needed either.

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] - Redo your Cobl install. You should either use FCOM_Cobl with Cobl 1.72 - or use MMM-Cobl 1.73 with Cobl 1.73. See FCOM opening post for guide.

27 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] - Make sure you're using the latest standalone release (3.0.1., although it says 3.0.0 when listed) as the bundled version in OOO has the "harrada bug".

++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76] - Update as said.

39 Beautiful People.esp - I'd stay away from BP, better to use either RBP or Cobl Races.
3A TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp - Which means this seems wrong currently.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:19 pm

I got rid of Tamriel Travellers, and updated everything you mentioned. Harvest Flora is at 3.0.1, and also got rid of beautiful people and running Cobl Races now. Couldn't find Cobl 1.73, so using 1.72 & FCOM_Cobl. Here is my (hopefully) final load order...

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]04  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]05  HorseCombatMaster.esm06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]++  Symphony of Violence.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]09  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]0A  HTFpcb Extended.esp0B  Streamline 3.1.esp0C  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]0D  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]0E  DLCOrrery.esp0F  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]10  DLCVileLair.esp11  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]12  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]13  DLCThievesDen.esp14  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]15  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]16  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]17  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]18  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1B  ArmoryLab.esp1C  Cheydinhal House.esp1D  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp1E  Knights.esp1F  The Lost Spires.esp20  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]21  BlackAzurasStar.esp22  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp23  HideHelms.esp24  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]25  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Short Grass V3.esp26  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]27  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp28  Advanced Magecraft.esp29  Mighty Magick - Settings.esp2A  Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.esp++  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp2B  MidasSpells.esp2C  Multiple Enchantments.esp2D  attack and hide easier v2.1.esp2E  RenGuardOverhaul.esp2F  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp30  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp31  Oblivion XP.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]32  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]33  TheOubliette.esp34  1310-Chamelion-NoRefraction-TESSource.esp35  Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp36  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thank you again for auditing my list, I'll let you know if my crashes clear up after this. NCIS finale on tonight so after that I'll hit oblivion and see how it runs.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:17 am

I got rid of Tamriel Travellers, and updated everything you mentioned. Harvest Flora is at 3.0.1, and also got rid of beautiful people and running Cobl Races now. Couldn't find Cobl 1.73, so using 1.72 & FCOM_Cobl. Here is my (hopefully) final load order...

It's the Cobl version in Loot-Drop-Merchant changes Proposal that is listed as 1.73, so if following the Quick Cobl for UFCOM Guide in the FCOM thread you'll get it.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:52 am

I threw another 1GB of RAM in the computer, but no luck on the stability front. 2 CTD's while walking from Cheydinhal to IC. I'm going to do a fresh install and follow the 50+ Steps to Stable FCOM++ thread again, I'm guessing I missed a step or turned on too many mods at once. Lack of sleep while doing the install before probably means I did something stupid and didn't notice.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:38 am

Can't edit my above post, but just went through my list with TES4Edit and cleaned the "dirty" mods, and for the first time in 5 YEARS, I was able to hop on Shadowmere and travel from Cheydinhal to Anvil with no CTDs! I didn't stop to fight any enemies or rest, but this is a massive improvement. Thank you again for the help Arkngt, looks like I can finally play and not worry about how often I'm saving

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:49 pm

Can't edit my above post, but just went through my list with TES4Edit and cleaned the "dirty" mods, and for the first time in 5 YEARS, I was able to hop on Shadowmere and travel from Cheydinhal to Anvil with no CTDs! I didn't stop to fight any enemies or rest, but this is a massive improvement. Thank you again for the help Arkngt, looks like I can finally play and not worry about how often I'm saving

You're welcome.

Yes, cleaning dirty mods can be crucial when it comes to stability. I briefly tried out Hentai Mania 2 w/o checking/cleaning it and had sudden, random CTD's all the time. Removing it fixed it, but so did cleaning it when I checked it out at a later date. Turned out I didn't like it so a waste of time but there you go.