Forgive me if I'm speaking out of line.....

I think the whole point of bg2408 was that including such things into a patch (or something that is concieved as a patch by the simple user) can cause conflicts from an unexpected angle. Can bg2408 just add a note to warn his mod users of possible conflicts with this new hotfix? Ofcourse he can. But not everything in this hotfix is 'wrong', there are plenty of things that indeed needed fixing and for possible future updates there will probably be more. So users would be forced to either ignore some genuine bugs or avoid using a certain mod. In my eyes, that isn't the right path to take for UOP, hotfix or not. :shrug:

Not trying to stir up the flames, just shedding my thoughts on the things I've read in this thread. I know the two most discussed changes have already been removed/undone and re-uploaded, I'm more concerned (not really the right word, sorry) of this happening again in the future and perhaps on a much larger scale. And I think that is partially why bg2408 posted what he posted, because of the direction UOP appeared to be moving, not its current location (well maybe a little bit).

Having said all that, thank you Arthmoor for the hotfix. Regardless of everything that has been said it took hard work to make and release it and I would never be ungrateful for that. :foodndrink:

-kyoma

I'd not hold my breath waiting on those. bg2408 has made it abundantly clear that I shouldn't have wasted the time to begin with, and apparently has chosen to ignore the fact that I already removed the boar and imp resistances. Since people insist on arguing over a moot point now I can very clearly see at least part of what Kivan was getting sick of while dealing with this over the years. He had far more patience for worthless political campaigning than I do.

Yes, there are some things that the UOP probably didn't need to do or could have been handled better. That's part of what I was attempting to address. It was listed clearly for several days that the imp/boar stuff was slated and not a single person objected until after I'd taken the time to incorporate it and then upload it. Frankly I was tempted to just leave it that way but chose to waste yet more time removing it for reupload.

So there is no direction this thing is moving in at this point. I'm done with it. If there's anything more broken, in need of adjustment, or just something that you (general you) wanted to see fixed whether it be from my updates or previous things done before I stepped in, get someone else to do it. I have no patience for dealing with griefers with nothing better to do that make mountains from mole hills.

@Kyoma: This isn't directed at you. The folks this applies to can figure out who I meant easily enough.

Sorry for the bad experience Arthmoor.

Can I ask a quick question before you leave, though? Other than that one.

When you made your fixes, did you do it in the main UOP.esp, or did you do a separate file and then merge them?

I tried make a differential patch between your hotfix and the UOP 3.2.0, so that I could apply your fixes to the MOBS versions, but I couldn't get it to work right. If you had a separate file, that might solve that problem.

that's sad... you shouldn't take offence just because some guys don't agree with some changes

If you are talking about your optional RBP changes to Vanilla Great power (gotten from Heaven DoomStones) I found them not brilliant than what Berthesda has done; even more your changes are not "useful" but are unbalancing the game (with + 5 resistance magica or spell absorbption). I'm even not satified with tejon work on BirthSigns/TRAP.
The most useful mod I have tested in this area is COBL (or Wrye) exhaussion for great and lesser powers.
But this is not the subject of this thread.

I hope Arthmor do not take it personal some remaks made to him and continue working on the interesting hot fixes to UOP.

@Arthmoor
I fixed the roads and pathgrids in my modified UOP to match up with what they should be. If it weren't for your UOP hotfix I wouldn't have realized my problem until walking across them in game, thanks.
I've tweaked the hotfix resistance changes in my modified UOP to balance with other creature changes I've made, works in nicely.

couple quick questions should i install ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated before i install any of the unoffical patches. tes nexus has nice instructions on the order to load the game expansion patches and official mods. but says nothing on when or where to add things like obmm mash or ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated

when i asked a week ago about what i needed for oblivon somene said to get the UOP and hotfix then i read this


If you're installing the UOP for the first time, or have a version older than 3.0.0 installed: "only download and install the v3.2.0 base install (self-installer, manual or OMOD)"
If you already have the self-installer or manual v3.0.0, 3.0.1 or 3.1.0 of the UOP installed: please only download and install the v3.2.0 hotfix/upgrade (self-installer or manual). (There is no OMOD version of the hotfix so if you would like the OMOD version download the full v3.2.0 OMOD

OBMM, BASH, and AII! are utilities, not mods or patches, so they may be "added" (rather, installed) at any time. "As soon as you need them" is soon enough, though some might say "the sooner the better" as well (though you'll probably need one or all of them sooner rather than later, so it pretty much comes out the same).


And your question would be....?

Personal attacks are not allowed here honest or not. Take it to PM. I will clean the mess up now.

I think I see the confusion. When someone recommended UOP and its hotfix they referred to the latest (though now old) version by its original authors, which is v3.2.0, plus Arthmoor's recent hotfix (which has its own page at Nexus). You have a choice of hotfixes, either 323 or 323a. 323a does not really supersede 323, but rather offers an alternative to several changes that some consider controversial. (I went for 323 but to each his or her own.)

Don't worry about the mention of a v3.2.0 hotfix. That's just for folk with earlier 3x versions. Those readmes would of course not be aware of later hotfixes, the original authors having abandoned UOP. Again, You just need UOP v3.2.0 plus either 323 hotfix.

If any of this info be wrong, Im sure the community will jump in and correct me. =P

-Decrepit

i mearly asked the first question becuase i wasnt sure if the UOP needed archive invalidation or not. so wanted to make sure that i put that in before hand if it did.

and i asked about the hot fix becuase i was told by a couple folks on this form to make sure i grabed the hotfix when i got the uop however as i stated above the information i read said to use just the uop. so when i get conflicting information i just like to clarify . i appologize if im an inconvinece im just trying to learn and get a nice install. it isnt like i do not read. in fact ive read every instalation instruction every read me and all documentation to every thing i down load. i was taught if something is worth doing its worth doing right and thats all im trying to do

thank you so much yes you saw my confustion. so its a different hotfix im after then and not the one which is listed on the same download as the UOP .

There are pages of tit for tat here and I won't edit them all out. If someone wants to take this up again I suggest you do so in a new thread and leave the hard feelings and bantering out of it. If you want to be of assistance in this effort great. If you want to just complain about it in an unconstructive manner (check our rules for that) then just stay out of it.

Nothing is resolved by butting of hard heads.

This one is closed.