skyrim, too good to be true : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:57 pm

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any self-respecting multiplatform media outlets
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Here's the loophole.

Look, The Witcher 2 appears to have its shortcomings, but given the profusion of ?media outlets? giving out GOTY awards there's a fair chance it might end up receiving the accolade. Hence your loophole.

Next time don't post such absolute statements.
No need to increase the world eunuch quota.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:29 am

I don't know why people have this need to bash other games in order to make their own look better. Skyrim is going to be a great game, but that doesn't mean there aren't any other great games made by other developers. The more quality RPGs the better, and I think Skyrim, Witcher and Deus Ex will all be great games.

This. :thumbsup:

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:54 am

Here's the loophole.

Look, The Witcher 2 appears to have its shortcomings, but given the profusion of ?media outlets? giving out GOTY awards there's a fair chance it might end up receiving the accolade. Hence your loophole.

Next time don't post such absolute statements.
No need to increase the world eunuch quota.

Always leave yourself a way out, I never posted absolutes, PC-centric outlets are going to favor The Witcher 2 over Skyrim almost without a doubt. I'm sure someone would post a link to like www.pcgamingisthebestandalltheconsoletardscansvckit.com or some such, just to be right, so that's why I made sure to expand the statement and that's why I love (Critical) metacritic. The "Gamer Rating" on the other hand... You get situations like the Rate-down bombs on Portal 2, just because it was "dumbed down" for the Consoles. I think there's a pretty clear line, and that later example represents where there is no "Self respect", you just latch on to your belief and ride it down into the sewer while trying to take as many things down with you.

They're totally different games though. The Witcher 2 is more like... I guess I'd say Mass Effect. It has it's story, and it's going to tell it. Elder Scrolls scrolls games, on the other hand, make the player the story. At the end of the day, they're not really competing against one another for anything other than Banana stickers.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:55 am

They're totally different games though.

I take issue with these kind of statements. If indeed the two games are totally different then how different are SuperMario and Skyrim?
I perceive these claims to be a defensive reflex. Some people seem to retreat to the ?They are totally different games? at the first glimpse of an unfavourable comparison.

Why wouldn't you be able to meaningfully compare Skyrim and Supermario?
You can compare story with the lack of it.
You can compare 2D to 3D dynamic shadowed graphics.
You can compare openness, freedom, and most imporatnt of all, enjoyability.
The list goes on.

Will The Witcher 2 deliver a more engaging story? Will Skyrim grant you a more satisfying sense of freedom?
What about combat? Animations? Voice Acting? Cut scenes? Replay value? Sound effects? Controls?

The two games are very much comprable.
But maybe not to your liking.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:17 am

Actually, it's nothing like the "Oscars". Some films (The King's Speech) are made with the singular intent to please the core of the group that determines "Film of the year". How films are actually selected as the "Best" is based off a "Consensus" of sorts, that generally picks the "Least hated" over the "most loved", as many films polarize opinion.

Actually, there is a small industry in Hollywood around promoting films to Academy members, in order to achieve nominations/awards. There's money to be made even off a nomination, much more to be made after winning an Oscar.

I am guessing it works something similar when it goes to video game awards, as there is money to be made on games declared "GoTY". Either it is a PR campaign, or a completely arbitrary nomination by a very small group of people working for different outlets... in either case, the GoTY label doesn't mean much in a way of a true rating of the game, other than it could be applied to W2, and you'll end up singing with the Vienna Boys choir

» Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:43 pm

I wouldn't take too serious those scores on Metacritic, they are flawed as hell. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion scored 9.4/10 in professional reviews and only 7.6/10 in user ratings. That's how flawed it is, the difference is ridiculous. Either the professional reviewers are not objective, or there are http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/user-reviews?dist=negative who rate oblivion with 0/10, 1/10 or 2/10 just to have fun and lower the global rating.

There were hundreds of 0/10 user reviews for Oblivion because purists were mad that Oblivion wasn't the exact same thing as Morrowind.

If that doesn't qualify as 'hundreds of idiots' I don't know what would.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:55 am

Wait Mass effect 3 is being delayed tell early 2012? Well now I no longer have to struggle with which game to ask for for Christmas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqByMxfl83Q&feature=related :disguise:

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:40 am

Todd has been very specific about how they want to get one more game onto this system before they work towards the next gen consoles. Also he has stated many times that 11-11-11 isn't just a cool date, but it IS the date. Any thing before or after is a huge failure in his eyes!

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:40 am

Like Skyrim had to worry about ME3 anyway. :wink_smile:

Well, if it ended up turning out like DA2; Skyrim would have to worry..

about it stinking up the place.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:59 am

It's not that I don't think the Witcher II won't be a great game, It's that I know it's not eligible for "RPG of the year" or "Game of the Year" simply because it's PC exclusive. A true, landmark game is available to the widest audience.

I got bored of reading every reply so I do not know if someone already said something to this. However, when I read this I just had to respond.
I really hope you are joking with your 'PC exclusive=Instant lose' idea..? I mean, one word which is 'Crysis' already kills your argument.(I know it was not actully much of a great game, and I did not play it much, but it did show just what a game can achieve (graphic whise) if it is not held back by consoles) And last I checked it got a lot of attention, even though it was PC only.
So yea, I don't really understand what you were going for? From your earlier posts it actully sounded like you hated Witcher II just because it was first made by a small company(the first one at least) and now you bash it for PC only.

I know I'm rambling, but I just don't get it.. (BTW not all 'true landmark game' really are that good. I rather have a game that is fun and good to play, then have a game that says 'Game of the year'. (Ofcourse I would prefer both))

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:01 am

I fully expect Skyrim to be delayed. Name one TES game that wasn't.

» Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:29 am

Mass Effect 3 never had a set date. They were targeting Holiday 2011, but I guess they felt they either didn't want to compete for "Greatest game of the year/RPG of the year" with Bethesda, or they really did need to work on the game a bit longer. Maybe a little bit of both factored in there.

Anyway, considering the first bit of info we ever got about Skyrim, was a MM/DD/YY release date, I'd be more surprised if it didn't make it, it wouldn't surprise me either, if that date was actually a conservative goal that they "Know" they can make, baring aforementioned catastrophe's such as an EMP blast, and that a retail-ready build of the game, might actually be ready before, at least as retail-ready as Oblivion was.

Mass Effect 3 never had an official release date, as Holiday 2011 was a mere target window. To be quite honest, shooting to release the last game of the series in less than two years of development could have likely been a disaster.

Skyrim, on the other hand, has been in full swing since Fallout 3, so this game wouldn't be delayed for any reason. If it was, the delay would be only a couple more months at the most.

aye, none the less them pushing it back is a good thing I don't expect sweeping changes really as they are using what powered ME2, hopefully they think things over and realize they don't have a frothing brain dead fan base, that their fans are there because the games are good, not because they are hyped.

anyway Booty's and several other posts have /thread, Bioware said Holidays 2011 they didnt give a definitive date to ME3's release, Bethesda did for Skyrim, whether or not that is more/less susceptible to being pushed back is no ones call, **** happens, like the fire at Bethesda during Oblivions developement they could very well move the date forward or back or whatever, we're no one to say how concrete it will or will not be.

To all of these - Sorry, you are wrong. The ship date was and always had been December 31st, 2011. It was that way starting in Jan., to my recollection. Obviously, we know it was a placeholder, but it was a solid date. Anyway, the point is moot now.

Na, there is no more Bioware.

Its EA now.

They already produced utter garbage like Dragon Age 2. They will produce even more utter garbage in the future.

Bioware, that was Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, and the original Dragon Age.

They would never have created trash like DA2 back in these days. They are selling out the good name of Bioware now.

I have some hopes Star Wars: The Old Republic will be a great MMO, but otherwise the future of Bioware looks grim.

Wtf, man? You serious? Where's Jade Empire??? :stare:

Bioware does some weird sh*t, like Dragon Age. But don't be trashing the good stuff like ME and then saying you like KOTOR, without even acknowledging JE. You come off sounding like a Bioware noob. <_<

And TOR will be awesome.