I never said it was lol.

Theres a fine line you have to walk because of course you cant listen to and accept everything that your "community" suggests to you as a developer, thats just impossible and stupid to even try. I dont really agree that WoW is been gutted. Id have agreed with you if you had said it was a dated game that was well past its time to be put down and walked away from lol.

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But no, please, continue as normal. Just act as if I'm not here. :ninja:

That socrates200X chap, he's around from time to time. I wonder what he's up to?

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I lurk, mostly, and then pop in from time to time to say something off-topic.

Trust me: you'll soon wish I'd go away and get back to work. (I'm compiling, really!)

As we know, there are two types of people on this planet. Those who like to get loud and those who don't. The first tend to call themself a vast majority.

Whenever there are two points of view, there are different people sharing them. The smarter ones tend to bring up what is unheard and so the unheard gets known. The other ones thend to claim their point again and again and again and again and again and everywhere over and over again until they believe their echoing fills the universe and shatters the earth. advlts do know that.

Compile faster! Your local overlord demands it (as mandated by Decree 1, issued 2E0, in the name of the Potentate and the People, amen). And stop talking about mudcrabs with your neighbors.

From my experience of other specific forums like GTPlanet [about the Gran Turismo series], they don't listen to you at all. I doubt anyone in Polyphony Digital ever looks at those forums. They're full of fans screaming for their good ideas to be taken seriously but none of them got implemented in the final product, which is why it's a bit of a letdown really.

Meanwhile, Bethesda do listen. It gives the forums purpose other than just speculating. It makes you feel that they respect their fanbase a bit more too.

...most of it anyway.....

Sorry mildly off topic here but can I just say that I rather like Bethesda (in spite of the disaster that i feel Fallout 3 was and in spite of some of their choices for games to public - star trek encounters anyone? *boak*) and do my best to support them by buying their games.

Example. I bought MW GOTY edition, then i went n bought Oblivion for the PC and then bought a copy for the Xbox. I then bought the GOTY for the PC, and the DLC/Expansion disks for the Xbox. I bought F3 on PC, then I bought the GOTY edition of F3 on PC and Xbox.

I wouldnt do that if I didnt like Bethesda's games.

I admit that I bought Oblivion on release day, then earlier this year I bought it for PS3 as well [as my PC is just getting worse & worse :S ]. Such an enjoyable game, it was worth it, definitely.

How do we know this> Is there name at the bottom in yellow or green heighlight?

You just said Blizzard is a good example of a developer listening to their community. I'm merely pointing out that it's not as black and white as you portrayed. Yes, they listened to their community, and in the end we have a product that went from mildly difficult (to put it loosely) to mind-numbingly easy.

Listening to the community is not always a good thing. Gamers are a fickle bunch, and prove time and again they don't really know what they want.

Mods are light green, admins/devs/staff are red and aqua.

You totally havent understood me lol.

Yes I said Blizzard is a good example of a company that APPEARED to listen to its fan community in a more thorough fashion than Bethesda does. I never said they actually do; nor did I say that always listening to the community is a good thing.

As I said I was and am playing devils advocate a bit here.

As it is I actually dont agree with you that Blizz "over listened" to their fans and created in WoW a boring and mind numbingly easy game. I dont think its as bad as you feel it is; I mean it could be worse it could be Fable 3. Now theres a game that got simplified into stupidity.
I am more tired of WoW because its a 10 year old game that is so dated and boring looking and feeling now. It should have been laid to rest after Burning Crusade and the company moved onto other things. But the company seems to want to drag it out for as long as they can get away with.

Needless to say I wont buy cataclysm for a long time yet - if ever.

Damn, didnt see them in the Werewolves&Vampires thread than:( I could have sworn I saw Yellow and a Light Green tho O_O

If Bethesda doesn't listen to their community, they're pretty damn good at guessing what we're thinking.


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Sorry, yellow is staff.

Go to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/members/ page, and scroll to the bottom. Where it says "Show All" in the drop down box, select an option and the colour will be reveled for that group.

P.S.

Damn, it didn't directly link to the filters page. Just hit the filter option in the upper right and follow the previous instructions.

I was thinking about this yesterday. I'd be interested to know how many thousands of pages of words have been written since the announcement.

I'd bet A LOT.


On another point, I think it's good that companies should listen to their community. But it's better when they surprise us with something totally original that we never thought of.

Ok thank you I will do this:) Thankz I changed it:D

It's under 'Member List'.

Just click the link I provided, look in the upper right corner for 'Use advanced filters' and click that. Now scroll to the bottom of that page, and select something other than 'Show All'.

They clearly due, some mods from past games have been implemented in more recent games. For example:

Widows light up at night, Got done in Fallout
Extra filler NPCs, Fallout
Weapon mods, FNV
Not an ugly sky, FNV

All were fairly popular mods for Morrowind,OB, Fallout or all of them.

The [Empty] container icon was from a UI mod I believe.