The only part of lore I know that talks about dragons being driven away are the ones from Akavir, who went to morrowind and thn left from there because of clifftacers.

Nothing to do with nords, the dragons we are hearing about in skyrim is a new history we've not been aware of before

The devs said that the dragons were a big treat to humans, and the Dragonborn were a sort of dragon hunters, and humans have driven them away. It doesn't look like Akavir dragons have much to do with this. That ones were simply slayed by Tsaesci.

have you seen http://media1.gameinformer.com/images/site/pages/esv/index.html?es=5?

Vokun Viing

Keep your facepalms, there's no need to post them here.
I know what Atmora is and who the Nords are, and yes, Nords in Tairmel are migrated from Atmora, but it doesn't mean that Dragons are from there too. I just corrected your sentence, that thousands of years ago as we know they were in Akavir, THEN in Skyrim. Way of the Voice is based on worship of the wind as a personification of Kynareth, we don't know if proto-Nords worshiped her, so..

Master Voice = The Tongues.
The Voice = Thu'Um

I know in the Gamespot interview TH speaks of them as one and the same.

My post above, and all it doesn't look like these dragons are the same dragons that were in Akavir. Maybe they were driven to Akavir once, who knows. All we know now is that there were dragons on Akavir AND there were dragons in a place where humankind once lived. And now we can't say much about what the Way of Voice is, since we may be pretty sure it has something to do with the Dragon shouts we haven't known of before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYD5gdhHug&feature=player_detailpage#t=133s

Todd Howard: "So in the previous Elder Scrolls lore, we had the Thu'um. The ability to shout, which is this power the Nords have from long ago. That is the language of dragons."

Todd Howard -> Thu'um = Dragon Shouts

kinda /thread

It was stated in the lore that the Emperor used "The voice" to command his troops at a great distance, and to intimidate the enemy. (i think) So that separates the voice, from "words of power"

They're different in that the dragonborn can absorb dragon souls to learn thu'um much easier than say the graybeards. We're the only one that can do that. I believe I was one of the guy who said they were different.



That's what I said, and that kinda started the confusion I guess. Basically, I don't see us getting dragonshouts like we will get them in Skyrim in any of the next games, because we may or may not be a dragonborn, but I could see us still able to aquire a thu'um shout or two, maybe as a Nord special ability to try and keep the races different.

How so?

Vokun Viing

Yep, but Dragons appearance is happening in Akavir in Lore.
According to your logic, we don't know anything. You think so because it's the myth, created but man's fiction and it can be changed any time.
Akaviri race Tsaesci enslaved Red Dragons, but Black Dragons fled, as the Lore says, (but after then, war has begun and all of the remaining Dragons were killed. Then Tosh Raka became the largest Dragon in the world. So, Dragons popularity in Akavir isn't ended by that time, so Akavir Dragons can make return any time)) during that time, dragons in Vvardenfell were overrun by cliff racers, may be thats the time when they, black dragons reached Skyrim? We don't know exactly, as you say, and we'll get enough knowledge about that soon

A quote from Todd Howard himself? Just what I needed to know
Thu'um = Dragon Shouts = The Voice

Also: "Masters of the Voice are refered to as Toungues" according to the book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Children_of_the_Sky

Just to reinforce: yes, they are the same thing (and thats totally awesome).