Body Replacer Bug

Post » Thu May 20, 2010 6:52 am

Hello Everybody,
I'm using Oblivion with Wrye Bash v291 to play my mods, i'm using a lot of mods .
I've never get a problem so persistant then the one i encouter right now...usually i read forums, F.A.Q, etc, and i'm fix it by myself, but this one, i can't. :/

I have done a fresh clean reinstall of my mods after a crash disk, i reinstall them one by one, just to be sure i don't get any conflict or something else.
Rebuilding my patch, testing, reinstall more mods, rebuilding patch, testing, etc, etc.

My problem is that when i install a body replacers mod (Robert Male, or Female, or anything else), it works...for some time.
Then, i continue to install some other mods, or tweaking some ini's mod then...IT begin...

Suddenly, and i cannot reproduce it exactly, all my body replacers mods stop working at the same time...(by all, i mean, the female and the male one, i usually use the Robert's mods, but it make me the same thing with HGEC or anything else).

I say, i cannot reproduce it, because it's not the fault of one or two addon i install after, because i try this at least 10 times, with a different combination of mods, and it make me the same thing.

When it happened, i try:
To reinstall the body mods with my bain installer, no change, always those vanilla body...
To reinstall them manually, no change, always those vanilla body...
To install the omod version of some other body mod, same result, always the vanilla body
To use the oblivion laucher with just one of these mod, no other mod, same result, always the vanilla body

At this point, no matter what i try, i cannot have other body then the vanilla one....the only way to change that, it's to uninstall everything...Oblivion,Dlc, SI, Obmm, Wrye Bash, Wrye python, etc...
And reinstall everthing (i let you imagine how much time i spend doing this, it's make 10-15 times i'm doing this...T_T).

My thought it's Wrye bash that make this conflict, because even when i just lauch oblivion+robert male or female, that don't change anything, it's just like if Wrye doing somethin to the registry or something else...and the problem is gone when i uninstall everthing that have a connection with Wrye Bash. And i Repeat, everthing work for some time, so it cannot be my package, or something similar (wrong installation folder, etc).

I'm using OBMM (only to give a try to omod packed mod), Wrye Bash v291, ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated (i've try to reinstall this one, like i've read somewhere, same result, always the vanilla body), then OBSE + Plugins.

Thank you.
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Claire
 
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Post » Thu May 20, 2010 4:19 pm

A couple questions....

1. Are you sure that you're using the Vanilla body-- in other words, have you checked by taking off all your clothes? I'm sure you know by now that the body type is contained in all of the clothes/armor you put on, and if you put on clothes for a different body type than the base you expect, then while you are wearing them, your body will appear to be the body that the clothes were built around, rather than your default. So the first thing to do is get nekkid and see if your body is actually Robert's (Fe)Male at that point. If it is, then you know you need to find some replacers for whatever you normally wear so that this doesn't happen. All of the body overhaul mods have stock armor and clothing replacers, but they are often separate downloads and you may have missed them. Most or all also have replacers for equipment added by the big overhauls (OOO, MMM, Fran's, etc). If you need them, you should find, download and install them.

2. Have you rebuilt your Bashed Patch? I know it can be tedious, doing so after every change in your load order, but it is necessary. Furthermore, before rebuilding, you should check and make sure that no mods that you have, for example, deactivated, but remain in your Data folder, remain checked in your Bashed Patch. This could also cause a deactivated mod tagged with Body-F/-M to override your chosen body (since many body-related mods are fully mergeable, if it's not deactivated in the BP before rebuilding, it's still going to behave as if it's in your load order).

Since you have WB, would you please post your load order using it (between [SPOILER] tags), as that will give us a clearer view of what mods you're using and how they are built into the Bashed Patch.
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KRistina Karlsson
 
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Post » Thu May 20, 2010 4:30 pm

Hello Wmj,
1: Yes i'm sure it's the vanilla one, and for the stock armor, yes, i'm using these also.
But even if i'm using it, they simply no longer work, just like the body replacer, when it happened, the cloth, and the body are the vanilla one, no matter what i try.

2: For the Bashed Patch, like i say, i rebuild it every major change in general, but for the last 2 day, i rebuild a patch each change i made to see if i could get my body back :)
Just now, i've rebuild it following your last advice, (to see what is check or not in my bashed patch), but nothing change :/.

Before the last rebuild of my bashed patch, in game, when i open the misc menu in my inventory to use all the cobl option, etc, every book option was missing, just my vanilla stuff appear (one torch, and i don't remeber the last thing ^_^).

I've never remark this before.

Now that i've rebuild my patch, they back again, but not the body replacers...

And to finish, this is my Load Order:

Spoiler
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