i think the ncr wins but cannot hold onto its empire and revolutions start happening like marcus said

Especially when the Courier killes Caesar, Lucius, Lanius, and maybe Vulpes too over the course of the game. When I did my NCR run I made sure to get as many as I could to hasten CL's disintegration.

NCR already has a more or less established economy and political system in the west. For them it would be easy to just include NV into their jurisdiction.
The worst thing that happens to the people is that they're going to have to pay taxes, but in return they get food, water, supplies and security.

Mr. House is way to idealistic and somewhat narcisistic.
Yes Man and the PC running the place will end in utter chaos and anarchy, because face it, you, the player, doesn't care about politics, you just want to shoot people's heads off.
And last but not least...
Legion are scumbags.

Mr. House all....the....way.

That CEO mindset is exactly what the Mojave and, in my opinion, the entire post-apocalyptic US needs. Progression. Efficiency. Not the Manifest Destiny- Too Big for their own good, and not the pseudo-empire that will fall just like it's ancestor did except without the pax romana.

In my opinion, the humans are the problem. World full of friendly super mutants and ghouls seems ideal to me. Go Neil!

If I somehow could; I would first take over the Strip then take over the Brotherhood of Steel. Then make them more like the east coast. As in good, and reasonable. Then make them patrol the wasteland.

Oh and then eliminate the NCR and Legion! Only if they(NCR) don't obey what I have to say. But the legion shall be destroyed without reason!

Being a pragmatist the only option is the NCR.

The only caveat being to beef up the other minor factions so that they can be forces to be reckoned with. The NCR must be encouraged to forge alliances rather than run roughshod over the wastes.

Having said that, none of the structured game endings is satisfying.—as they are by design, I believe.

If I was really there then I would side with Mr.House if I was on the Strip, or the NCR if I was anywhere... Hate to say this, but propaganda just works on me in real life... yah I know its bad.

From a third person perspective watching this like a movie/book then any faction would have to majorly change for me to back it.

However I know I am sticking my rear in the fire I think the Legion needs less change then the others.

Changes the Legion would need.

1. Kill off Ceasar. He is a hypocrite who should have been seen as week ages ago, and killed by his fellows so a stronger leader could take over.

2. Kill off Lanius. While he follows Mars, and seems to have the Legions best intrest in mind he has little care for his fellow soldiers.

3. The best chance for the Legion to actually stand as anything the current Ceasar thinks it should, it would take a natrual born, and raised kid to rise to the top.

Why do I think the Legion is the best option for the Fallout Universe?
The best way in my book for 'ALL' of America to be united under one banner is through an aggressive, and oppressive reign. Yes the Legion are harsh, horrid, and brutal, but guess what? So is the wastes.


Now do I see the Legion being the barbaric policical org. that takes over all of America? Sadly no.
As I said their leader is a hypocrite, and there second in command is a lunatic. It would not take many high ranking deaths in the Legion for it to fold, and revert back to little tribes. And finally there distrust of Tech. If the Legion started moving East they would eventually run into the Midwest branch of the BoS, and there robot army...
Robot army vs Legion swords/guns == curb stomped Legion

As it stands though the only two political groups that could unite America from sea to sea is either the Legion, or the Enclave (when it was at its prime), but we all know how the Enclave is now standing .

I finally met Caesar to other day, and I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. I really did, but I knew I'd have to kill him after he told me that an individual's only worth was measured in terms of the service he could render to the state.

My question to all you legion lovers is this:

Is life under the legion really preferable to a bit of corruption and high taxes? Really?

Do you really want your daughter to grow up wearing a collar and carrying a pack, when she isn't being [censored]? Really? How about your mother?

Is a bit of security really worth a life of serfdom and oppression?

You guys can have my share...


I'll quote Jimmy Cliff once more:


Come on Legion and come on HARD!
:gun:

And then the Ncr implodes on itself and collapses because of the nearing food shortage.

See, we don't know that.

At least the NCR is aware of the coming problem and is actively trying to prepare for it.

The Dictators aren't even aware there's a problem coming and their likely solution will be "eliminate the useless eaters."

Here again, I don't see the advantage to dictatorship...

They are trying to solve it by expanding in every direction possible in search of more food, not only pressuring their citizens even more, but also oppresing the peoples they conquer.

The advantage of a dictatorship is the if he is a good, benevolent Dictator, he can rule the country much more easily than a democracy, which can take months to sign a single bill, and(looking at the US gov here) are full of lobbyists. Considering the level of corruption mentioned in New Vegas of the NCR higher ups, I would be surprised if they got anything done.

Dictators have a problem when they apply their own personal hatreds and beliefs into their dictatorship, persecuting random people and making many enemies, as well as building up the potential for a population to revolt. Now, I doubt Mr. House would persecute any select group of people(except ciminals for obvious reasons), but his problems is his isolation. He sees the world in a much, much, much, different light than the rest of the world, and he obviously has a different vision than most people. Despite this, I am confident in his abilities. He has explained that he would never completely stop the NCR citizens from coming t the Strip. Rather, the NCR would. I really can't see much going wrong as House as compared to the others. He has run the Strip well so far. He recognizes Free speech, and does not seem to mind many Wastelanders. Hell, if you go with him, he'll treat and talk to you much better than the other factions. he carries many Pre-war ideals lost to Humans, and really, he would be the best bet for the long-term of Humanity.

I believe you may be right. He's effectively ran Vegas so far and his long term goal is for the benefit of all humanity not just one country. Hell he saved the city from becoming a radioactive ruin like Washington.




He certainly does treat you better. House talks to you more like your his the right hand then a tool or a servant. Working with House felt more like a partnership then anything else. Hell the ending for how House runs things is different depending on your karma.

Really what does the NCR jurisdiction provide the Mojave that they couldn't get from House? nothing absolutely nothing. So it really comes down to this do you believe House is right when he says he could have colony ships ready in a century? or not. If you believe him then you should take his side, if you think his grand plan is a pipe dream go for the NCR.

These are my views on all major factions.
NCR- They need to change or die. There democracy is way to complicated and they try to force their ideas on to you. They tax you for nothing and they can't even deal with powder ganger's and fiends. If they actually focused on fixing themselves and not taxing the living crap out of people just trying to make a living then they would be a model nation.

Legion- Caesar has a good vision but i think he'll have the same problem as Genghis Khan. He won't be able to culturally assimilate the population before his death which would lead to the Legate being in control and that is bad. But i can't really judge the Legion as a civilization because i have only seen their army but they defiantly run a tough battlefront.

House- He seems to be the best candidate for Vegas but only for Vegas. He couldn't project his power outside of Vegas which would mean that all the scum of the Mojave would run loose. NCR and Legion would both collapse if this happens due to having to raise taxes and troops for replacements which will make the People unhappy(NCR) or Not being able to stop the warmongering and set up a permanent Government (Legion). Also house would fall eventually because he can't replace his securitrons.

I think the robot Army should be in controlled by a council made of all the settlements of NN . The Free side , west side , strip Good springs Prom Novac and any others I left out should all elect a representative in charge of the robot army . They should draft a constitution and elect a president . I nominate The King as president , He is charismatic and kept free side together inspite of many trials . The legion , BOS , Fiends , raiders Great Kans should all be hunted under bounty and drove out of NV .

I know all would call be mad, but my vision for the Fallout America is: let it become more like Europe.

Ideally speaking, each state should form a "country" with their own government. Form of government matters not, what matters is to create stable economics, population and competition.

And that's why I choose Yesman, to forge New Nevada. NCR can stay in California, and Caesar would die to cancer; the Legion can split in to three parts accordingly.

Interesting thread.

I'll throw my hat in with the NCR. It's not about being good or bad with either NCR, House, or the Legion. Rather, it's which goverment the average wastelander has the best chance to kick to the curb *WHEN* bad decisions are made...

W O R D !

The NCR provides the only system where sovereignty resides with the people. The people can hold bad regimes accountable and power can change hands WITHOUT bloodshed.

It’s the system, people, not the leader (House, Caesar, Kimball) running the system!

Not really, in Representative democracy, the only real choice the people get is the President. And even then, people make horrid desicions(Why would you choose Bush again after he drove the debt into the ground and financed the Iraq blunder?)

Umm, well they also get to pick their representatives...Hence the name, Representative Democracy.

A good popularly elected government depends on an educated and VIRTUOUS electorate. The people get the government they deserve. Even so, any popularly elected government tends to be more humanitarian and more responsive to its people.


The only sure way to guard against tyranny and oppression is with divided powers and popular sovereignty.

When's the last time you heard of a democratically elected government committing genocide against its own constituents?

Here's what you do at the end of the game: Go wild card, then put Yes Man in a car crusher. You don't want to go the way of Benny, do you? And we certainly don't want a "more assertive" Yes Man stabbing you in the back. Establish a better treaty for the NCR than they got under Mr. House. This will open up more business in the strip. Help the FotA clean up freeside, then exterminate the fiends. The Great Khans will have to go, given your alliance with the NCR. Same with the BoS. Caesar's Legion will have been decimated at the second battle of Hoover Dam, so that's taken care of. Unite the small towns of the Mojave under your flag, supply them with training and weapons, and you have your own militia to balance out the NCR's numbers in Nevada. Basically, everyone's either happy or dead and you're in charge of New Vegas. Oh, and bulldoze the Ultra-Luxe. The White Glove Society is WAY too stuck up for their own good. Unless you have the cannibal perk.

gs2099 already pointed out your error but here is the thing with the NCR government

The government of the NCR have a House of Congress staffed by elected representatives (Congressmen elected by their states, at Fallout 2 time they were NCR (Capitol), Los Angeles, Maxson, The Hub, and Dayglow). These representatives decide upon the President and Vice-President to head the council and govern the Republic so they DONT vote for the position of President, they elect representatives that in turn decide WHO is the President.

Looks familiar ... hold on, its EXACTLY how the President of the US is elected! You DID know that right?