i just think if they make races loyal to the lore (orcs are some of the finest front line soldiers/ Bosmer are skilled archers) they'd be fine. I can always choose to play a Redguard wizard even though the lore states they dont like to rely on magic. It comes down to the player. I think if I play a race for a specific playstyle, i should have advantages as opposed to playing a race because i think its cool or pretty (I'm not against that either, i'm just trying to make a point). I think a Nord should start off with more encumbrance, but a Kahjiit should move faster. Bretons should be better with Magic, and have more Magicka than a Dunmer, who is pretty much the jack of all trades race, and should receive small bonuses across the board. It just makes sense in my mind to distinguish the races because if you go back and start a new game, having the option to play a powerful player as opposed to a graceful one would immensly help replayability in a game series that players play forever already.

sorry for the rant. PARAPHRASE- i hope so too.

Not true realy. Just because you pick altmer doesnt unlock the ability to play as a mage even if they are rather dang good at it. It just means it will be easier to play a mage with this race.

This is true mainly because unlike in mw and ob and daggerfall you train magicka.. so any race can get enough to cast most any spell. But altmer likely will have more or need less or something magicywonmderous.


An altmer mage might simple be able to cast faster... we dont realy know. I dont think bosmer mages will be doomed.. they just wont be the same as altmer mages and altmer bowmen wont be the same as bosmer bowmen.

I think everyone or most everyone expects replay meat out of races where you can play 3-4 of your favorite kind of character and because they are different races it plays out in fun new ways.

I WANT to see how a bosmer druid turns out as compared to an argonian ritualist and a khajiit herbalist and a nord stormcaller and an orc shamen and a redguard bonestealer... As long as the races are interesting enough to make 2 charcters with the same skills come out FUN im happy.

but, see, an Altmer mage and a Bosmer mage and an Altmer archer vs. a Bosmer one might not play any differently at all. that's what I'm afraid of. If they play differently, I'm happy. But I'm skeptical because I'm afraid the races will become skins, and the Altmer mage wont cast faster or have more magicka, or use less per spell than the Orc. i don't quite get why you said what i said isn't true because you just have a different opinion on how the races will turn out. we dont know how they will be, so you saying my speculation isn't true, and yours is isn't logical.

No what im saying is because of how the 3 stats now work and how perks work bethesda should have FAR more room to give each race abilties without running into places like they did in ob where some races simply couldnt be even ok with some skills unless they realy knew what they were doing ahead of time.

In short they should have room to make the races interesting.

I agree they will have more room to work, but whether or not they take advantage of that wiggle room is debatable. like i said, i'm afraid they aren't going to take advantage of the freedom they have to make races completely unique, cuz they might be afraid to determine players picks by their playstyles, or vice-versa.

This is exactly what I fear too. Most of my most enjoyable characters have been outside the norms - I rarely, if ever, play characters who fit their archetypes. I just don't find that as interesting. My first mage was a Breton, simply because I figured that would be the easiest way to get a handle on playing a mage. My favorite mage though, by far, is an Orc. And my favorite Breton is a light-armored swordsman. Similarly, I do have a Bosmer archer, but my favorite Bosmer is a little slip of a girl armed with a battleaxe. Probably my single favorite Oblivion character is a female Dunmer who favors heavy armor and a claymore.

It was already difficult enough to get the full experience out of such characters in Oblivion, since pretty much all the starting bonuses and penalties were just temporary. They only made a difference early in the game, and there's nothing particularly dangerous early in the game anyway. By the time more dangerous things started showing up, the character had generally gained enough that that contrary-to-the-archtype build wasn't as much of a challenge as I would've liked anyway. But still - I can, and do, get some enjoyment out of what challenge there is.

Everything that I've seen so far about Skyrim at least implies that the game is moving in the opposite direction - that, rather than making the differences more distinct (as I'd honestly prefer, though I accept I might be in the minority there), they're making them less distinct. Yes - we've had a statement that they intend to make the races more distinct, but the evidence that we've seen hasn't supported the conclusion that that distinction will go beyond appearance. It's possible that it might, but at this point, I have no particular reason to believe that it will, and I'm afraid that it won't.

We'll see, of course, but I'm not particularly optimistic....

I think there is about a 70% chance your right on that but im rooting for the other 30% with all my nerdly might.

I couldn't agree more. I think I should just copy and paste what you just said, and not even reply to you with my own words. the one thing that scares me more than anything is BGS will make all the races indistinguishable from one another by end game. I know, perks, perks,perks, thats how i will define my character, and i get that. but i think having ten distinct races to play through with my 50 different perks will add well, about ten times the replayability (in theory). now lets say, aside from aesthetics, all the races are the same aside the starting skill bonuses that they always get... now you're just giving players something that could potentially stunt their leveling (prolly not because its not like oblivion, but still) and it is temporary. unless you can give the max number in a stat higher by endgame than other races (bosmer get 110 archery skill as opposed to 100) and making i worth while to have a stat higher than 100, i dont see a reason to even do it.

I still think race specific perks could go a long way to helping. and not ancestor ghost or command bunny. If you make those powers level with you, they could be fun, otherwise they are, again, just little head starts for new characters that mean nothing by endgame.

im going to choose a khajiit and i just want to be able to jump really high that is all. i hope unique racial abilities are more than stat pluses at the beginning

Wow, I made this post more than two months ago. What's it doing here again?

I bet everyone thought I was crazy when I suggested attributes would be cut from the game!

After looking up "berserker", I agree, it would be quite interesting. It should do something along the lines of: resistance to fire: 100% resistance to blades: 100% weakness to blunt: 100% resistance to damage(excluding blunt): 100% and all damage taken during you "berserk" period, will come back and hit you all at once when it wears off(like the adrenaline ability in Brink) potentially, making it lethal(jumping off a high mountain and activating berserk, only to be killed a little while later after your landing) Only problem being, what power would the Orcs get now?

I suppose Adrenaline Rush could possess:

-Fortify Attack
-Fortify Health
-Fortify Stamina