My goal is to help the people i suppose, so my question is should i go independent to do that or will the NCR be my best route. i merely killed house because i sincerely believe that one can not rule for all time, it is wrong, new ways must come about for time to turn. I know this may not make sense its just something i learned from history. So what do you guys believe is the best path for helping the people of new vegas?

Legion.

And I'm not joking or saying it cause of bias, I do think Legion is the best for the wasteland in the long run.
NCR have better moral than Legion, sure, but they will fall apart due to corruption, greed and instability.
And Independence, I haven't finished that one yet but I don't see how it's the best for the people of the wastes.
Seems more like Independence is the "greed" path.

So my vote is on Legion.

ok also i noticed i went back right before i kill house, is there anyway to keep him alive long enough to help the apocalypse folks?

Keep him alive long enough?
Either you kill him (quick or slow) or you don't, ain't a lot more options.

i almost feel bad killing him, its just not right that he live though, no matter what hes doing for the world. Im not trying to create perfection, just fairness, wow im getting to into this...

Since the Legion like to literally enslave people to do their grunt work, I don't consider that best for the 'common people.'

I'd say Yes-Man or NCR....but frankly imo none of them are all that great for the "common people" like, say, The Followers/Arcade wish for.

I've yet to try a good pc + legion path, no spoilers please but has anyone done so.

On topic the best noble / good path I honestly found was House and a good character, speech to get khans to leave where they joined with the FotA.
It really had no true bad endings.

I'd Say Independent for i know the other endings. Brief summary;

NCR allows their soliders to go 'have a good time' ([censored] off) in New Vegas while their expansionist policy continues. Utimately corruption leading it to what it will soon to be; the former United Commonwealths of America.

As for House, its just his greed for the city of New Vegas as he barely helps anyone outside the Strip. Freeside nor allies, he cares not for thee! Bascially him just planning to make New Vegas a paradise while everyone else is in Hell.

Ceaser's Legion overtakes the Mojave, pratically enslaves most and ultimately sets up a pesudo-doctrine for its soliders that they are the 'new synthesis' for the wasteland. If you kill ceaser and let Lanius take over, he doesn't even leave that much of a population alive. Kills most, acts like its a complete war still. ceaser only grants pardon for one faction; the Followers of the Apocalypse which we lets go free. Boomers are left alone and everyone else is Borg Assimilated.

Independent isn't perfect, by far it still needs more work. But i think a Mojave Republic will turn out good in the long run. Just saying because it seems in every ending; you just weren't suppose to live to make it a better place.

Not everyone becomes a slave yknow.

I totally agree with this and I haven't even sided with them once yet haha. NCR is basically like the US governement and will eventually lead to screwing everyone over for the almighty dollar in the end. Just like how it is now... Scary times living in America right now.

So yea I'm def going to be helping them out in my next run through

The runner up to Legion is House though.
House seems to have a plan in the works.
Don't remember it fully but the flaw I see with it is, he doesn't have any factories, and even if he has the factories or finds new one's he doesn't have the resources, only money, and who is he going to trade with? The east? That's bull land. The west? That's bear land.
He has the money but will make enemies on all fronts and not have any resources to spend it on.
So what happens when his securitron army dies out?
He becomes powerless.
I know that securitron MK II are very tough indeed.
But they are like super mutants.
Tough, but limited.
It's only a matter of time before they die out.

Legion and NCR on the other hand, they can recruit and conquer new areas and people.
They can have children born on their side join their armies.
They can always expand.
But House, while he means well, does not have the resources to cover large areas.
He can only cover New Vegas and it's surroundings.

And what will happen?
NCR will surely be pissed off at some point and attack them. (Remember Helios One? NCR has quantity, House has limited Quality)
Legion will become frustrated with their "second" defeat and find ways to destroy House's securitrons, the problem with Legion vs Securitrons are that most of Legion uses melee, unarmed or ballistic weapons, not exactly the best weapons against metallic army robots.
Then we have Powder Gangers, they on the other hand have explosives, and if left alone, they will terrorize the mojave wasteland for years to come, that means securitrons will die at their hands as well.
Then we have BOS, while cut off from the other chapters, their western chapters will at some point come looking for them again.
And once they find a robot army they have the means to destroy them. (Pulse weapons and energy weapons).

So, House's Securitrons are going to die out, just like super mutants, it's all about "time".
NCR will collapse under it's own weight.
Independence is not very long lasting considering that there is no power structure to control the area for a long time.
And Legion, while their ways aren't nice, will at least force humanity to restore civilization through fear.

Rather Ceaser's Legion is going to die out when Ceaser dies. When he dies, the Legate shall take charge who will be Lanius who will rather not even force civilization upon the wasteland.

Rather a pesudo-masculine doctrine where the 'strong' survive. OK so you have an army and barely any villages to support you as you move west into territories occupied by the NCR who has, most likely, increased their defenses after Fallout 2. That and with these 'union of 86 tribes' you have to admit the CL is on a thin line like most of the endings.

Independence is rather not as what I hoped it would be; I'd like a more detailed ending but eh. Maybe a DLC will go into all of our little endings to show us what we have done to damn the Mojave in different ways?

Though House only has one factory; The New Vegas Steel. (Currently in Fiend Territory). Which I suppose he wants you to activate due to the only computer in there says "Lucky 38 Override". House's plan will involve getting friendly with the NCR, since he was like 'oh noes' when Tourist statistics would drop in the next 5 years if the President Arron Kimball was killed.


Though I do see, immensly, a problem of only MK II securitrons defending any Mojave front. I mean you have Deathclaws, Super mutants, robots, ghouls, etc. Why not use them too?

Of course not. But to me that's like saying the US (or other countries) shouldn't have abolished slavery because the slaveowners were otherwise such awesome upstanding folk. To me slavery is just wrong and that's all there is to it. If the Legion want to stop their slavery policy, I'll re-evaluate their organization.

I like FalloutTacticsFan's post....says a lot of what I think a lot better than I could. While I play NCR a lot, like I've said many times, I don't consider them some beacon of shining hope or moral angelic saints. And they're definitely not best for the "common" people in many ways. But then, a lot of governments, in the long run, aren't...

If Caesar is operated on by The Courier then he has some years left to live.
He can under that time take someone under his wing and teach him what Caesars goals are and brain wash him to become Caesar.
But yeah, if Lanius becomes Caesar then I don't see a happy ending for anyone... Still, I have my hopes in Caesar.


Who says Legion barely have any villages?
We have no idea what Legion actually have on their side of the river.
But they do have caravans, civilians and their own economy to support it as evidence by that merchant by the gates and that they have their own currency.
We just don't know how many they have, or how prosperous they are, or how slaves are treated in those areas.
Until we get a Legion DLC/expansion/game we have no idea what Legion's lands are like.

Ceaser does gain some years after that. But he has never showned any interest in taking someone in, rather then the real Juilius Ceaser who is actually more progressive then this guy Though maybe the Courier could be the next "Kaisar" but who knows. But in any case the line of Ceaser is not followed, he's just a god to the legion. His ideals, however, are as much followed as the ant understanding what is outside the hive.

And I take my reference from a quote of Legate Lanius if you go with the Barter check which, in simplified, basically stated that the Legion has no supply lines in the Mojave. This is from an experience he had in conquering Denver when no villagers would support the Legion, or wiped out. They have no popular support, they will leave little villages entact besides Primm and Goodsprings. Novac becomes the second Nipton, etc etc.

Ceaser's Legion taking over the east and the west would be a much as a hassle for them as it would be for the NCR. It took years to just take the lands of Arizona for the Legion, and took even longer to form whatever formation they have. (I'm Guessing Arizona, and New Mexico.) And then with the 'death' of Burned man; here comes Lanius.

Though I am particularly interested what would happen to the Mojave in an Independent ending; concerning the CL's retaliation someday. Although I doubt Mr House's data is correct; Ceaser is the only thing that will keep the Legion together with his idealism. Lanius will keep it together for he is ruthless.

Also; why would the Eastern Brotherhood eventually go back west? Only the Outcasts intially wish this but they wait for the West to come to the East. Although, it is true, we aren't given much of the Legion's military, society, and culture.

We are only shown what is obvious if Ceaser dies; a hell worse then the unity's goal. (For all those classic gamers that remeber the "unity's ultimate goal" which is simular the Ceaser's in some ways).

I would wish to see what is beyond the colorado, and much like Lanius I would(too) wish to conquer it.

i dislike the legion on the grounds that they are commuting the same crime countless religions have... they kill because a person isn't good enough for them or whatever, or is a sinner, sound familiar.

Sadly, yes, I don't remember his full speech but doesn't he say something like "Well The Legion isn't meant to last forever?" and that the climix of this faction is to clash with NCR in order for something new to blossom out of the ruins of both factions?
Anyway, this is only speculation but if Caesar gains some years and he teaches someone to follow his ideals and lead Legion like he had then I have hope for them.
But if Caesar dies then I believe they will fail in their goal.
But I don't think we're shown enough of what actually happens if Legion wins.
We get the whole "Well civilization has finally come to the mojave wasteland" in the ending slider.
Well... What? So what happens?
It feels like the ending is cut abrupt.
Civilization finally comes... But what happens to Caesar?
What happens when Caesar dies?
What happens to The Legion?
I think Obsidian did a bad job at that part.
All we have is that sliders "word for it" but no actual context to back it up, making it hard to find a good argument for pro-Legion.


Ah, I never did the peaceful solution with him at the end when I went for NCR run so that's a part I missed then.
Still, they have no support in the Mojave but we don't know how the majority of Arizona is like.


Was a mistake to put Lanius as the legate.
His battle expertise is great for Legion but if he becomes the new Caesar... Well... Let's just say I have no hope for anyone in the west coast+Arizona.



No no no, not them, the "other" chapters that are still left in the west coast, not all of them are destroyed if IIRC.

Well, my courier could never take over for Caesar. She's a female and not even allowed to fight in the arena. Strong, intelligent women need not apply...unless they want to become breeding stock.

Caesar reminds me of Caesar Augustus, killed pagans, destroyed families so he could have an army. Caesar died, punishing the world for its sins like the legion is doing is pointless, you cant do it. The crusades proved that, no one is in it for the good of the world, its all just a sham. CRUSIFICTION IS MUFFED UP FOLKS. i apologize if i misspelled that.

All and all i love this game, and the community(you guys) are pretty cool, fun to talk to.

Sorry to disagree the only one in the Legion I can stand is the Legate.

caesar is a boy, a silly spoiled child ( I know because I'm one too ).
His vision is blind, he's a coward with just the intelligence to be dangerous.
caesar is the fog that makes the legion hypocritical, the rest are hypocrits true to caesar!
How many do you think are true to him really, to bloodshed and conquest, through fear of those he surrounds himself with.

The Legate Lanius is the only one to hold to honour.
The only one to follow his path.
Basically the Legate is deluded but honest and the legion feels right with him in charge.

Now if CL had been formed from within, rather than with caesar' influence I could see them as a better faction.
caesar' influence however destroyed any natural progress to society and is an abomination.
Much like a pale skinned god amongst the natives in fiction, just wait untill they see him bleed.

ok now how do i go about closeing a topic by the way

Yeah alot of the endings are vauge and short. I would have preffered a Independent ending that actually told you if you were the Leader of the New Vegas or of a new, perhaps greater, Mojave Reoublic. You know?

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