So, I just completed Beyond the Beef and failed Pheeble Will.

What pisses me off about these two quests is this: YOU GET PENALIZED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!

Seriously, WTF?? How is killing both Ted and Heck Gunderson doing the right thing?

Think about it, this idiot Walter Phebuss' main gripe is this, "Heck dun walked in on our land, took our Brahmin. I wants him dead."

Hey jackwagon!!! Heck just happens to be feeding the Mojave with those Brahmin you are hoarding.

You tell him that Ted has gone missing and he doesn't care. His only concern is killing Heck. For revenge. Sure Heck is a backstabbing ass and a thief. But the way I see it food is scarce in the post nuclear world. And in a place like New Vegas having a steady supply of food is a must. If Walter and Ethel Phebus were still around after completing Beyond the Beef they'd of both met an untimely demise in the street. Idiots.

And while on the subject of Beyond the Beef.

I HATE THE WHITE GLOVE SOCIETY. Specifically, Marjorie. Why? Because she tells you that you can not join the White Glove Society until you make a name for yourself on the strip. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Surely you can't be serious?

I walked into the Lucky 38. Do you need any more of a reason? Look, I've killed more people than you've eaten and you are telling me I can't get in because I haven't made a name for myself. I WALKED INTO THE LUCKY 38!! Who does that? Have you? No? I didn't think so. How about you just let me in before I put a 9mm hollow point in your head.

So far, two of the worst quests I've done. No, wait, the one where I have to isolate the virus svcks too.

For the Pheelbe will Quest


For the WGS
The writers had to take it from a direction of how some people might skip heading into the lucky 38 right away. (which is something i've done)

For the Virus Quest
I don't understand your problem with it, for me it was rather easy and a waste of a sub quest. Maybe if they would of went along the lines of trying to find the person who made the virus or that it could lead to a traiter in the BOS ranks then it would of been better.

You do realize you can "do the right thing" and convince Walter to give up his grudge and go home with his wife (successfully completing the quest), instead of having to kill Heck and Ted, right?

Yes. But at the time I met Walter and Ethel I was only level 7 so wasn't smart enough to complete the quest without killing anyone. As it stands, I didn't kill Ted or Heck anyway, I didn't see any viable reason to. Sure, they are both Jerks and one is a thief but as far as I'm concerned his theft was justifiable because he is helping people. I just find the way the two quests were setup are incredibly annoying.

As far as the virus, I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but I did find it very annoying. Go to that computer, go to this one, go to that other one over there...ISOLATE!! Damn, you missed. Start over....same result....the quest is [censored]. I have a gun, lemme isolate your head from your shoulders. You shouldn't be in the IT department, you can't kill a virus.

you mean to say that gaining the monopoly in beef sales through ill gotten means for the sole purpose of personal gain is doing the right thing?

He is still feeding the strip. Regardless of his motives. Walter Phebus was not feeding the strip. So, yes. Saving Ted and keeping both Heck and Ted alive to keep the strip fed is the right thing. Allowing Ted to die and killing Heck for Walter's personal gain and his own satisfaction is wrong. Walter is just pissed because he didn't think of it first. Plain and simple.

Human perception is a wondrous and frightening thing.

What gave you the idea that Phoebus was hoarding his cattle? Cattle ranchers don't keep those things for pets, you know.

You are supposed to not like the White Glove Society. Besides being pretentious prigs, they were cannibals fer gosh sakes! they pour out their condescending crap all over you and then say you have to prove yourself to get into their pretentious society. Who wouldn't hate them?

As for Heck and Ted; Heck's fate was sealed after I heard Walter's story. I'm a tougher sheriff than Meyers any day. Ted sealed his own fate when he opened his mouth in the freezer. I only dragged his ass back to the lobby so I could kill them together (photo in the advlt section of my gallery.)

As for being the Chosen Child and walking into the Lucky 38; mayhaps we have a much higher opinion of ourselves than the hoi polloi. the Reputation System is there for a reason. Times are tough in New Begas. put up or shut up, podnuh! :wave:

I will agree that the virus puzzle is a pain.

Amazingly there is a solution to all those annoying grievences in game.

I call it Mayhem time. ( anyone else note I talk about myself alot, preach alot and use the singular more than is good for me? )

Equip a melee weapon.
Press draw.
Look at the gremlin.
Think happy thoughts.
Kill gremlin.
Save the game.
Take a breath.
Talk to friends and family, in a healthy and relaxing maner.
Repeat.

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Human perception is a wondrous and frightening thing.

<-----------Agreed

Thats exactly what I did to the Powder Gangers. I got tired of being shot trying to walk through the front door. So, myself, followed by Boone, Lily, Veronica, Rex, ED-E and Arcade Gannon stormed the prison like soldiers. We cleared every room, every watch tower and killed everyone. I used the Fireman's axe the entire time. It was so invigorating and refreshing. Eddie was the last to die, he tried to run. His head was chopped off by Lily at the bottom of the stairs.

Oh, and regardless of how YOU perceive the quest I am posting about the Pheeble Will and Beyond the Beef as I interpreted it. I understand Walter wasn't keeping the Brahmin as pets. He was using them as a source of food. Mainly for himself. What Gunderson was doing was taking those Brahmin and feeding a lot of people. Either way, I'm not going to sit here and argue over this. I interpreted the two quests one way and completed them as I saw it. You can say that both Heck and Ted in my eyes didn't deserve to die. Neither does Walter. Maybe if the quest was written so that you can get both Heck and Walter together to come to some agreement it would have been better.

Its odd, in FO3 I didn't think twice about killing NPCs. But in NV because of the way the story is written and the fact that every NPC you meet has a story a history. I haven't killed as many NPCs in NV as I did in FO3, I tend to avoid combat unless it is absolutely necessary. I've killed more animals than NPCs and even with the animals if I can avoid them I will.

same here for the first few run throughs, played it smart learned the system.
There comes a time where that tends to all run together a bit, you help so many people.
Then you feel let down later by how they react, neither as noble as you which makes them more human to me.
Combined however with personal opinions and loop holes in stories it does get frustrating sometimes.
As you take a personal interest in the outcomes, it's a little like life most things in general only go two ways..
Yours or more likely someone elses.

I've just taken to killing kings and certain freesiders, one just made a comment, the other had a nice outfit..
It just escalted, the same happened in McCarran as well, when it gets like this just save and enjoy the things that pop up you've never seen before.

You couldn't be more right on spot



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