That's Modern companies for ya :/
But if you ever get a hold of one of there managers you can Really threaten them, but if your nice to them "usually" they'll be nice to you.
I had a great conversation about modern computer Tech with one of the senior managers of the IBUYPOWER company.

How about the macbookpro 15" running win7 through bootcamp?

# Processor : Intel Core i7-2720 quadcore 2,2
# RAM : 4 GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
# Hard Drive : 750 GB at 5400 tr/min
# Graphics : AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1 GB of GDDR5
# Screen : 15'' Glare 1440 x 900

Will it do the job on high/very high settings?

Edit: i want to have atleast 30fps

How did they cause $300 in damages?

Nice specs you should be good to go but I personally hate Macs with a passion. (Btw: No offense its just my opinion I Hate Macs)
What really gets me is how exactly are you running WIN 7 on a mac whats "bootcamp"

My new job is letting me use it for free I've never had a mac before, but its still free so what the hell. Bootcamp allows you to install windows 7 on your mac

Edit: i hate mac too, but thank god i can use windows

I tried being nice the first 4 days then asked if I could speak to a manager. I didn't demand i just asked nicely... I was put on hold long enough for their answering machine to take my call. (got that alot) I belive cyberpower is no longer part of the BBB anymore.

At 1440x900 resolution 30fps should be no problem for most games on high settings.

At 1920x1080, the 6750M will probably be around 30fps at least pretty close if not higher - unless there is some kind of performance drain from running through bootcamp?

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Wow I didn't know you could do that but anyway, ya you can probably run it on max.
I get discounts on almost anything including games because my Uncle is in the Military (Marine Corp, Captain) and apparently those discounts go to gaming to

No bootcamp does not drain memory or anything, it only allows you to install windows or any other OS. When windows is good to go, it runs just like on a normal pc, so you dont suffer any loss in preformance.

according to http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Early-2011-2-2-GHz-quad-core-glare-type-screen.50344.0.html it runs Crysis 2 on high with 38 FPS on avarage.

Cyberpower has a A- on BBB

AH I was told they were no long part of the BBB good to know.

Hmm... well that had to be frustrating
If you can get the office number of a manager there's no law saying you can't call them directly (that's what I did) but IBUYPOWER's company is a lot more different than CYBERPC's.

Managers are generally more supportive than the average employees because if something goes wrong there in the spotlight.

if you read my post i said only small things like keyboards and mice. if they dont work they will take them back. and they would probably let you test them on since all you do is plug it into their computer to try it out. you would be amazed at some of the nice electronics that get dropped off at occasionally at salvation army and goodwill if you get the right day. the reason you dont often see it on the store shelves alot is unfortunately because employees will often get to it first and obviously because most people either give their computers away or sell them to friends for dirt cheap. another source of cheap parts are universities and businesses. they all have defunct computers lying around and i managed to get a nice 1 TB hdd back up computer (integrated graphics so no gaming) for absolutely free. i use it for back up storage since im not falling for those online back up systems.

i do agree with the printer part.

Yeah, honestly I think the problem with Cyberpower is that they stay as small employee wise as they can be so it means there is a bigger chance of issues and slower customer service. I don't think it's that they don't care about the customer, it's just that in order to stay in business they have to stay rather small; the prices on their ready made PC's are about as good as you can get for the hardware you are getting. Even the most professional company is going to have a lot of issues when it comes to hardware, there are just too many different pieces of hardware that can fail.

Though if you know how to build your own PC and don't mind doing a little labor you will definitely save money.

It's never advisable to buy latest generation hardware - not unless you have crazy amounts of disposable income, in which case, sure, go knock yourself out. The prices are marked up and something better is guaranteed to be released two weeks after you buy it.
The earlier $700 - $800 estimates for the core components has been a pretty stable estimate for a good gaming rig for the last 10 years or so. However, don't go making shopping lists and buying now if this is just for Skyrim. Wait closer to November to get better hardware or the same for cheaper.

Don't buy prebuilt unless you really have no other option. You end up paying more for the badge for a system whose price doesn't reflect the up to date component costs.

Yeah I agree, with consoles along with slow adoption rate of new PC hardware you will rarely see games that will take advantage of the latest hardware. Although it's good get the best Mother Board you can as that's the constant you are most likely going to be sticking with everything else being upgraded over time.

I agree with consoles adopting slow. But do consoles are one thing and most games have to geard down so the console can run it. Also I can say that as backwards. I buy stuff thats geard down to whats commonly used and runs the best game at a little aver 30FPS oh look a year went and im running at 15FPS need to upgrade ill follow this same rule for years oh look I spent alot of money in 2 years trying to keep my computer above 30FPS. While if you get the best with stuff thats not being used by the majoirty then I know. Hey if this game im looking foward to playing and really want to enjoy it on max setting comes out and uses stuff on the video card i bought a couple of years ago then I dont need to upgrade.

I was buying a new videocard just about every year just to keep up. I got the 250 GTS when it came out and was using it ever since. (forgot to upgrade the PSU ) anyways. I didn't have to upgrade the videocard but uh oh i needed to iupgrade muy PSU to run the card oh my more money wasted. and now the PC is pretty shot. In other words buy with plans for the furture. make sure what you get can last you a long time and is pretty future safe. AS in ram. How often do you replace ram? You get good quality ram you wont be replacing it at all unless you OC/OV the PC then you should be slaped. Motherboard should only be replaced when its so out of date they no longer make things for it. Wich means get the latest motherboards as they will lost you a long time. Processor? Get a good one I stick with the I7 series. but thats me others on a budgeet go for the I5 also stay with the second gen.


Get good parts they last longer get cheap parts that dont feature new things like DX11 teselation etc etc second gen cores what ever what have you you may find yourself needing to spend a few hundred every year or so just to keep up.

I gave suggestions, only, and locations where to start looking. And by sixy case, I mean:

1) Easy to work in. Open layout, not a lot of superflous structure to get in the way of running cables and power feeds efficiently.
2) Not a danger to work in. The Lian Li cases almost universally have rolled edges on -everything-. It takes some serious effort to cut yourself on one of them.
3) Easy access. All the Lian Li cases use thumbscrews, so getting in, changing out a bad power supply, and installing/swapping hard drives tends to be quick and painless.
4) All aluminum construction. Steel frame cases weight a ton. Steel and plastic tend to be tough and fragile, with the plastic panels breaking off if you move the system around much.
5) Multiple fan mounts. The average Lian Li case has at least 2 140cm fan mounts; one in back one if front. Some have a 3rd in the top. The Tower can have up to 6 fan mounts. None of which includes the fan that is part of the power supply.
6) It does -not- come with the computer case equivalent of 'idiot lights'. All you need is the freeware SpeedFan program, and you have full monitoring of all temp sensors in the hardware, you can adjust the fans through software, monitor CPU function, HDD temp and speed, and several other things. A user is far better off =learning= how to tell if their system is in trouble, not depending on faceplate speed controller and idiot light arrangement.
7) If you need a window, you can get one for about $10 more on the case cost, or buy it later.

The OP wasn't asking about enthusiast woody point stuff. It was about what you could get and for how much. If someone doesn't say so, I always suggest the simple mid to full tower with no blinky lights or sculpted plastic whoosles. Not the cheapest but sturdy and stylish in a minimalistic way.

And yes, I would recommend AMD chip and motherboard, for the simple reason that you can get around %90 -percent of the spec function of the nearest Intel part for less than half the cost. And unless you are doing power computing, like rendering or CAD or CG or post, 4 gigs is enough; 8 makes you bullet proof, at least from the perspective of thrashing your swapfile...

I gave him 2 examples. The graphite 600t and the NZXT both dont have windows both have rolled edges both can fits a 590 in sli both have a side panel thats used to hide the wires so you cant see them and they dont get in the way.Pretty much all cases anymore come with lights but thats on the fans and i can live with that. the graphite and NZXT are on the heavy side becasue they are aluminum frames and doors with plastic parts. but they look nice and if you are moving your case alot theres somthing wrong. the NZXT fas 7 fan mounts and a fan controler for each area of the case. the Graphite has a fan controler that controles all the fans and has 2 200mm fans with a 140 in the back but its expandable to have a push pull liquid cool system at the top. Also both cases have filters over each fan so dust is limited on gtting into the system. Pretty much they are good cases for those that like a future looking one or one that looks nice under a desk. with plenty of cooling just as they are. they are really nice cases you should look at them also... no windos in the door and the graphite actualy uses latches to keep the doors closed instead oh thumb screw.

OP told me him limit is $1500 I gave him a system that moniters itself and will warn him if the system is getting to hot. It can be alot cheaper by a couple hundred and even a few hundred if its downgraded to a simpler MOBO a I5 and a not as wonderfull videocard.

Also the INtel AMD thing is much for him to decide on if he feels intel is more for him he will get it. if he wants a system with AMD parts he will get that too. I will say AMD has made leaps and bounds in the recent years they used to be pretty bad. I owned a AMD so im talking from what I had then.

Also Isent him a IM asking all this and said it can be cheaper if parts are downgraded.

I thinking this will make the cut
Memory Type: DDR3

Memory Speed: PC3-10600

Memory Speed MHz: 1333MHz

Total Memory Size: 8GB

Memory Slots (Total): 2

Memory Slots (Available): 0

Memory Configuration: 4GB + 4GB

Maximum Memory Supported: 16GB - 64 bit

Lifestyle: Gaming
Entertainment

Condition: New

Operating Systems: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

Colors: Black
Blue Lights

Platform: PC

Orientations Allowed: Vertical

Form Factor: Mid-Tower

Bays: 4 - 5.25" Drive Bays

Internal Bays: 5 - 3.5" Drive Bays

PCI Slots (Total): 2

PCI Express X1 Slots (Total): 1

PCI Express X16 Slots (Total): 1

PS/2 Connectors: 1 - Mouse
1 - Keyboard

LAN Ports: 1 - RJ-45 Ethernet Connector

USB Ports (Total): 4 x USB 2.0

Audio Out Jacks: 3

DVI Video: 1

Processor Brand: AMD

Processor Class: Athlon II X4 640

Processor Number: 640

Processor Speed: 3.0GHz

Processor Interface: AM3

Processors Supported: 1

Processors Onboard: 1

Hard Drives Included: 1

Interface: SATA II

Capacity: 1TB

Hard Drive Types: Hard Disk Drive

Speed: 7,200RPM

Optical Drive Type: Blu-ray ROM/DVDRW

Interface: SATA

Optical Drives Included: 1

Optical Drive Class: DVDRW
Blu-Ray Player

Audio Description: Integrated Audio

Channels: 8

Graphics Description: Dedicated Graphics

GPU/VPU: Nvidia GT 430

Video Memory: 1GB

Video Interface: DVI

LAN Data Transfer Rate: 10/100/1000Mbps

LAN Description: Integrated

LAN Interface Type: RJ-45

LAN Ports: 1

Power: 480 Watt

Mouse Type: Optical

Buttons: 5

Connection Type: USB

Scrolling Capability: Vertical

Keyboard Type: Multimedia

Connection Type: USB

Height: 21.3"

Width: 12.5"

Depth: 25"

I don't know what kind of display resolution you will play at, but the 430 will probably not be able to deliver decent frame rate at 1920x1080 or better resolution for any recent games.

You might want to consider some of the entry level DX11 cards (for example GTX 460, GTS 450 or AMD 5770), which can be purchased for around $90 - 150.

that is direct x 11 but ya ill be replacing it anyway
Im just making sure everything else checks out all I want is a good base computer ill add what I need.