Are the Daedra tied to Magic Schools? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun May 01, 2011 1:56 pm

Bit of a gap in that reasoning. The holes may or may not be infinite. The realms may or may not be infinite. I can't find any confirmation for those. But Oblivion, that big black thing you look at when you see the sky at night is infinite. Therefore, the distance between Nirn and any stars, and a realm and the any star, would be equally infinite. Equidistantly infinite. You can't have a "closer" or "farther away".

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml?

Space is the interpretation of Oblivion, which is black and empty and surrounds the mortal plane. Space is infinite, but it acts just like a planet, in that Oblivion is 'surrounded' by Aetherius. You can see Aetherius by the stars.

What are stars?

The stars are the bridges to Aetherius, the magic plane. They are perceived as holes on the inside surface of space. Because they are on the inside of a sphere, all stars are equidistant from Nirn. Larger stars, therefore, are not closer to the mortal plane, they are just larger tears in Oblivion. The largest tear in Oblivion is Magnus, the sun.

If we take as truth that Oblivion is infinite, then the holes have to be infinite as well, otherwise you couldn't see them. They would be infinitely small if they were finite.

But an easy way to see why his theory makes sense is to look at the sun in SI. It's much smaller than in Nirn, which implies his theory no matter if it's the Sun or a star we're looking at. (If it's the Sun, then we must be farther away from it to be smaller, if it's not, then it must be a star which is closer, and the Sun must be so far it's not different from other stars this far away).

Note also the galaxies

They are beautiful.

NOTICED: the equidistance thing pretty much speaks against this, but then again if Oblivion is infinite you're always infinitely far away from everything. Kind of hard to put into perspective tho isn't it?

» Sun May 01, 2011 2:24 pm

To be honest, I don't think the art team were taking the old cosmology text into consideration when they were playing around with the sky...

» Sun May 01, 2011 6:45 pm

This particular theory doesn't imply that anything is a lie. It actually is in sync with what the in game materials and legends say. The difference is just in your point of view.

If you think that all Realms have the same Sun (Magnus-hole) then you're looking at it rather centroid-like with no aspect of distance. His theory however seems more plausible to me, because it takes distance into account, and varying points of view (in the sense of originating viewer, not "scholary points of view).

Your edit suggests he's somehow contradicting all the lore, which I can't seem to agree with. (doesn't mean that his views are right, but they are as much plausible as the old ones).

No, that was not the point of my edit. What I meant was that it might not contradict the lore, but rather, the lore is made up myths and religous legends. That does not contradict the lore, if one think of lore as the "Nirnians" perspective on things (which we should, because as Crimson said, almost all of it is written from an in-game perspective, and that which aren't, well, it ain't worth as much). If you look at it that way, it becomes equal to RL religions. They might be true. Noone can really say they are, and noone can really say they aren't. Then, it's all about belief.
That was what I suggested.

edit: Too late.

» Sun May 01, 2011 1:57 pm

To be honest, I don't think the art team were taking the old cosmology text into consideration when they were playing around with the sky...

Bingo!