Ok I have been having some trouble hitting anything with a 12.7 smg...
So I tried to hit a lakelurk torso shot 36% chance in V.A.T.s killed it straight out.
I then tried with one at 20 same, then under 20% same.

I then tried it outside maximum V.A.T targeting distance with what was stated at 1% chance of hitting against a big horner with a head shot killed again one burst.
Same with the next, and again.
I've yet to try on a more human sized frame, but this was nuts, outside of V.A.T.s I had to be almost touching the foe, inside max range almost 100% hit rate for every round.

I'll try to post some screen shots, but this has to be up there on the oddities of the system list I think.

Thats why i dont use the 12.7 mm smg the barrel is like .25 inches.Do you have commando by any chance thou?

Shouldn't matter the bonus from commando isn't invisible and it certainly wouldn't help that much.

Nope I even had fast shot, the system got screwed up here.
I'm going to go through all the auto's and see how much this affects them.
I rarely use V.A.T.s as it is, but this is one more reason to give those that actually hate it another reason to.

No, this is http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fantastic.

:foodndrink: Bravo for that.

It does seem that only non humans are effected by this, just a petty most foes are creatures.

I actually forgot about this topic.

AUGH, I was planning on doing that, :sadvaultboy:

Join the party...I was too

you all just got ninja'd :ninja:

join my party i was to

Damnit.


I was actually hoping this would be a thread about....


[censored]. I got ninja'd.

maybe Chuck Norris peed on your pip-boy therefore enhancing your Vats and making you hit the weak point for massive damage?

A .50 caliber submachine gun can only be so accurate.

Au contraire, mon frère. Tonight I was looking at just this issue. Using a vast amount of ballistics data I have collected I have come to the opposite conclusion, based on 3 factors.

A) The .50AE round the 12.7mm is based off of (per Elvis Sawyer himself) is a very flat shooting, accurate round, for a handgun round.

2) The barrel length on the 12.7mm SMG seems to be quite long. As the top feed magazine and the ejection port suggest, it seems to easily be in the 8"+ range. This coupled with the aforementioned ballistics of the round will get you pretty reasonable accuracy, for a pistol round. Much better than any of the other pistols/SMGs in the game. (except the 5.56mm pistol)

Other) This leaves only recoil as the major contributing factor in accuracy. But if you look closely, there seems to be a large section of frame situated to the front of the pistol grip. It seems as this would be a reasonable place to house an asymetrical recoil system, ala TDI's Vector SMG. This revolutionary recoil system reduces felt recoil to an incredibly low level, even for pretty powerful rounds like the .45ACP. The positioning of the magazine on the top of the receiver seems to back this up, as there seems to be no reasonable explanation for just what that large frame area might house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6dO8TQ_7mY, and please note the low recoil.

-Gunny out.

Thanks for that, it was starting to bug me as to what that was.
Seeing the clip you posted it would go to explaining what and why it's on the 12.7.

Starting to think I should have posted a massive picture of a naked Fantastic instead however.

Holy batcrap Batman! I just found out they're developing a .50 BMG version of this thing. http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products.html.

-Gunny agog.

90% reduction in recoil and half the weight !
I'm far from a serious gun nut ( don't hold it against me ), but that's an incredible figure, and machine.
Next they'll say it's hand held and comes in all colours.

Also agog.