Good to be back. I actually haven't used the cowboy guns that much, in fact my head scratchers concerned everything but the cowboy guns. When I've used them though, they've been good to me, perhaps too good, but the man does love his lever actions.... I supposed I should consider springing for a gaming computer if I ever want to be really satisfied with the guns and how they work.

Most of the initial "up-tuning" of lever-actions during F:NV's development was the result of complaints from players who didn't feel that the weapons were powerful enough given that they have looping reload animations, not from a desire to have them be "just awesome".

.357 Magnum was developed not long before 5.56x45mm NATO. It certainly isn't a cowboy-era round. .44 Magnum was developed in the 1950s by Elmer Keith. Both of the magnum rounds are incredibly devastating to soft tissue. Their cross-sectional density and low velocity gives them poor penetration through hard materials (e.g. body armor) and a comparatively rapid drop. As for .45-70 Gov't, modern loadings of that round in a modern rifle will drop grizzlies and polar bears. Giving inherent DT bypass to rounds that also had HP variants was confusing to some people, but that could have been a way to give 5.56mm and .308 a different advantage over the bigger bullet rounds. It is not a coincidence that there are no AP variants for any of the pistol rounds (though you can get some DT bypass in hand loads). I do think the lever-action rifles in F:NV could have their RoF reduced, AP increased, and min spread increased, but for the range at which they are useful, the min spread probably shouldn't be increased tremendously. I've seen someone suggest 10x the spread. That's really extreme and would probably result in lever-actions becoming less-than-useful in most circumstances. Putting the spread in the 0.5 to 0.9 range makes them significantly less accurate at long range, leaving teeny tiny headshots only for guns like the Sniper Rifle/Gobi/AMR.

The Service Rifle and Assault Carbine are two other weapons that have some practical balance problems. I also think they aren't tremendously difficult to adjust.

Too late, i already have an arsenal full http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=39883 :hehe:

But i've never had any trouble with any guns. They all work for their intended roles :shrug: (In game logic sense atleast, I know nothing about real guns or shooting them.)

Thanks for the links

Downloading :hubbahubba:

Well, if I may propose some changes, maybe in the form of new DLC weapons:

Add a unique variant of the Assault Carbine (or just something automatic with similar characteristics) with a silencer mod and reduced spread.

Add a unique variant of the Service Rifle with a 925 rpm three round burst from the get go, or a mod for it. Maybe even a silencer mod for that too.

That wouldn't fix the problems with the regular Assault Carbines and Service Rifles, but it would at least fill the roles that those guns should fill.

Zealotlee does some of the best guns in the modding community, you will be pleased Especially the Dragunov is magnificient :drool:

Ooooh, an SVD and the AS VAL family? How I wish I could download it....

I would just like a decent assault rifle. There are none in the game, but I can see why.

I play Stalker mostly and a good assault rifle is all I need. A nice SGI SG-550 or perhaps even a G36 or perhaps an FN 2000 would be wonderful. All possible in the time frames in the game. Much more likely to find some benighted AR 15 clone though, hi ho. Even an M16 would be nice.

An accurately modded one of any of these guns would pose problems though. With weapons that routinely produce kills at 400 meters your in game snipers become useless. All other weapons would be weak and useless too. I can carry a lot of 5.56 AP and put it into eyeballs. With an under barrel grenade launcher the weapon becomes ridiculously powerful in nearly all situations. With these weapons able to use up 600 - 800 rounds a min a 30 round mag is instant death for anything really. Back to back, all modern mags are grooved for this, you have an under 3 sec mag switch.

Yes all the guns in Fallout NV are seriously nerfed.

I took out a whole family of Death Claws with the Trail Carbine and a scope mod. It was Epic!!!! I do however wish I had the Anti Material rifle for dealing with them, but it also made it more fun to blast them with that lever action Trail Carbine rifle which I feel is a good addition to the game. I do however see the point about an auto or at least a 3 shot burst mod for the 9mm pistol, that would make a better weapon to use. Had some good points...

Nerfing the sniper rifle to force us to use the AMR is lame.....I can play Fable if I want a world where the dev gets so emotionally invested in features if he sees players not use them he removes the alternatives so the player is forced to do it his way. I don't use the AMR because I don't like it....and I don't want to haul around a 35lb boat anchor that is total overkill against all creatures but one....and then it's only moderate overkill. Oh, and you aren't shooting at the ranges that make a .50BMG rifle shine either....because the game cannot render at those ranges.

Too many AR-15's in the game.

I simply cannot believe that no Kalishnikov weapons have made an appearance. Only Commie piece of equipment in New Vegas were those Chinese Stealth Suits.

Those guns are rare in West Coast

Care to explain the absence of the R91 Assault Rifle?

Yeah, like I said, I can understand that the Gun Runners need to have parts in common with most of their guns, but a little variety goes a long way....

It's not lame. The AMR is supposed to be the top tier and outshine the Sniper Rifle. That's how it was designed. If you prefer the sniper you can use it and I agree it's drop in damage is a bit too much, but it's crit multiplier and rate of fire is what made the gun a better choice than the AMR in every situation.

An HMG using .50 rounds should have been a weapon

It costs 10,000 caps to fire this weapon for 12 seconds.

I doubt even a soldier in Power Armor could handle that with anything resembling accuracy

Then again, there's no problem with Grenade MG :shrug:

I'd be fine with just a cut to the crit modifier and reduction in the ROF.....if I had my way I'd be wandering around with a scoped single shot .45-70 rifle....the damage cut makes it a marginal weapon. .50BMG is overkill...while I would have liked it in FO3 for Overlords, Albino Radscorpions and Reavers there isn't anything big enough, or ranges long enough, to make it necessary in NV.

I feel like I have to defend the Service Rifle here. No: it is not the most damaging weapon available. But is it is "good"? I believe it is.

- It shoots the incredibly common 5.56mm round, with the option to shoot hollowpoints or armor piercing depending on target type, and ultra cheap surplus ammo for general plinking.
- Its extremely high durability, combined with the lost cost of repairing it, means you will have to try extra extra hard to ever wear the thing out.
- Due to high durability, one of the only weapons for which Surplus ammo actually makes sense. You will never have a problem keeping this weapon fed.
- Not a sniper weapon, but it's accurate enough to engage targets at medium distances and score head shots further away than "jam the muzzle against their forehead" like some weapons.
- If you learn to feather the trigger at the right speed, the rate of fire is decent. Combine that with a large magazine and very rapid reloads, and it becomes a very satisfactory weapon for prolonged engagements.

Basically to me the service rifle is the cheap rugged warhorse that will engage and defeat most enemies with little fuss. Granted: it is not as good as an SMG up close, or as accurate as a hunting rifle far away, but it exists between those two weapons. It shines when engaging a lot of weak enemies (geckos, ants, molerats etc), and loses relevance as target size increases.

To be honest, my problem with the Service rifle come from it's high kickback when you center aim.

I agree. It has it's place, and i commonly use it before getting my hands on Marksman/Assault Carbine (depending on character).

So it's just extremely average, and to be honest I agree, it doesn't have any strong points, except for that it doesn't have any weak points either. It doesn't have any weaknesses except for the fat that it doesn't have any strengths either.

Still, I never used is, because I think it's not accurate enough, nor does it have a ROF high enough to use the gun as my personal weapon. That said, it shines when used by squads, exactly the way the NCR works. That still means the Service Rifle has a function, namely, to give the NCR the appearance of a professional army, without overpowering their troopers.

Still, I think the model used should have been the M1, as with the current model I just get the feeling that this game was sponsored by ArmaLite, your choice in post-apocalyptic weaponry.