Least Favourite Faction? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:52 pm

You're right. Shame on the NCR for being duped so easily, but desperate times often leave little room for questions.

Beg your pardon? You DO realize this statement COMPLETELY contradicts your previous claim of 'The BoS could wipe out the NCR, they just choose not to.'

Yes they choose not to. They could like I said they need reiforcements. And the NCR was not desperate at all if they were stupid enough to ask a complete dumb ass. They must have had a dumb ass asking another dumb ass. Its also a shame that they didnt realize that he was doing so much stuff wrong within the 1st week of him being there.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:59 am

Yes they choose not to. They could like I said they need reiforcements. And the NCR was not desperate at all if they were stupid enough to ask a complete dumb ass. They must have had a dumb ass asking another dumb ass. Its also a shame that they didnt realize that he was doing so much stuff wrong within the 1st week of him being there.

By saying they choose not to implies they have the numbers, saying they need the reinforcements to do so contradicts that. Besides, how can they get there? The Brotherhood out west in California are entrenched, hiding from the NCR. So the Mojave chapter is on it's own. Therefore, the BoS cannot take out the NCR. Why? Because they are outnumbered.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:46 am

By saying they choose not to implies they have the numbers, saying they need the reinforcements to do so contradicts that. Besides, how can they get there? The Brotherhood out west in California are entrenched, hiding from the NCR. So the Mojave chapter is on it's own. Therefore, the BoS cannot take out the NCR. Why? Because they are outnumbered.

They could possibly get Lyons but i doubt it since they went "People friendly" but i think it was better for them to do that. Also yes they are outnumbered but if they would just recruit people they could bring those numbers back up.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:36 pm

It's a good thing that this thread isn't off-topic. :wink:

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:31 am

It's a good thing that this thread isn't off-topic. :wink:

I don't know what you're talking about. :spotted owl:

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:37 pm

I don't know what you're talking about. :spotted owl:

ROFL.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:56 pm

Spoiler

If you beat the Legion quest line without allying with the BoS, then at the end it mentions that the BoS briefly took back Helios One, but got [censored] by the Legion.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:54 pm

indeed it does tausig

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:13 pm

Spoiler

First of all, I liked how you simply ignored 2 of my points.
1. I've never heard her lying, except about being a member of the BoS, which she confessed after 10 seconds, so that's pretty valid.
2. Nope, they raid merchants. Merchants that also sell to the Courier. Basically you can buy all of their stuff, so I don't see how that's an NCR supplier.
3. I honestly don't see what you're trying to say there, sorry.
4. House, yes. NCR, no. Bitter Springs was a mistake by ONE NCR officerer, no one in the NCR approved of it, and the person who was responsible for the massacre is an enbarrasment to the Bear. What happened to Nipton could have been an order from Caesar himself.
5. Okay, canniballism is okay as long as you only eat the right people, yeah I get it.
6. ''He then slaughtered his own tribe, with who had lived with for years.'' - Caesar (not the correct formulation, but ah well)
7. Prostitution = corrupt? What?

Spoiler

1. Could be a rumor, or she could just be making generalizations out of her ass.
2. Those caravans are as far as I recall coming from Mojave Outposts, meaning NCR land, there to supply an NCR community, therefor slightly NCR affiliated. Makes perfect sense for them to attack the caravans IMO.
3. Legion bans drugs, Khans are drug runners, Legion instead of killing Khans integrates them despite them being drug runners. So they should be happy they were integrated and not just crucified like Anders was who tried to openly sell them drugs.
4. NCR wants BOS dead at all cost, and wants them all killed, they also told me to either ally the Boomers or kill them, I couldn't just leave Boomers alone, I have to make them join NCR or they have to die. NCR hires mercenaries to attack Jacobstown as well. I see full of mass murder being done on NCR's part.
5. Well, as long as he doesn't eat the "wrong" people I don't see what's too wrong about it, you don't exactly have to sit and watch him cook a human being really, what he does with his fallen foes on his spare time is up to him.
6. Still not a psychopath though right, he was a war lord and his people shamed him, so instead of just turning himself over with the disgrace of his people he slaughtered them for being cowards and disgracing his honor. Not a psychopath, a brutal yet honorable war-lord.
7. *sigh* Nipton was an evil town, filled with people who would do anything for a quick buck and would cater to any one without a seconds thought. And if not anyone takes them down then Nipton would still be a slum, a place where criminals are born and let loose into the world, by ridding the world of Nipton there is one less place of bad people in the world. So anyway, if not Legion, then who? NCR? Then we'll have Nipton Gangers. House? He doesn't care about that town. Who else?

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:17 pm

I slaughtered every legion I see. I can say that much.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:51 pm

I slaughtered every legion I see. I can say that much.

I slaughtered every NCR I saw, but heres fun fact

Spoiler

no-one cares

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:17 pm

I love how there are so few intellectual defenders of the NCR or BoS. It's basically "But their demkretic lololol!" or "POWER aRMOUR R0xx0rs"

Seriously. The NCR are just as big douches as the Legion, their ideal is to grab land, strip it of it's resources then grab more because 'herp derp' the land somehow isn't supplying resources and for some reason everyone hates them, couldn't have anything to do with the taxation on the roads and inability to defend the traders could it?
BoS is crippled beyond repair, they're so stuck with their codex it's pathetic. All they can do is waste their time away. Where would they recruit from? The NCR? Legion? Wastelanders? They'd need to take people in young to train them as an effective force and few soldiers would leave to join a force which is basically being shafted left right and centre. As it is they can't stand up to the NCR, Legion or Vegas. That's obvious, even the MK1's augmented by the Families would give them a run for their money, the full securitron army? All upgraded? Christ on a stick they wouldn't last a heartbeat.
As for the chapters back west, House makes a telling passing remark about the NCR attacking their bunkers. They unsurprisingly fail (let's be honest their tactical ingenuity is up there with a squirrel's...actually sod that, squirrels can be pretty damn smart) but the point is the BoS are in their holes, slowly dying out. They can't recruit, they can barely scavenge and all they can do is sit there, waiting to be exterminated, entombed or left to die out by themselves.

As for allying with Lyons? Yeah right. Assuming the FO3 ending where the BoS there continue to prosper and such Lyons is as much BoS as the Legion are FotA. He's left everything behind except the power armour and the weapons. The codex? Long gone, he's recruiting from the wasteland for chris sakes. He's not hoarding technology but branching out. He's probably by far the strongest 'BoS chapter' going mind you, with all the old enclave stuff and possibly Optimus...? Shame the actual BoS would probably end up trying to fight him...

Actually, as an aside, I quite like the fact that Lyon's is going to be a powerful force. I dislike the linearity of the game but as canon endings go, it has a lot of potential.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:19 pm

So them getting their asses handed to NCR in Helios One was just a coincidence?

Considering the numbers they fought, it was pretty admirable that they fought like they did. I respect the B.O.S.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:42 pm

Spoiler

1. Nah, I dont see Veronica as the kind of person who says things without being sure of them. She also knows that a lot of Legionarries have sixual interactions with each other, which is something most wastelanders don't know, so she probably knows what she's talking about.
2. No, they sell to anyone.
3. Well maybe there shouldn't have been an ''alliance'' in the first place then. I remember someone saying the NCR is opportunistic, well so is the Legion. They're like ''We ban drugs, derp.'' but they ''ally'' with the Kahns, people who sell drugs and stuff, completely against the Legions' ideals, just so they have more chance at winning the battle.
4. Nah, the NCR is the only major faction in the game that doesn't give you the option to slaughter the Boomers. The NCR is in a freaking war with the BoS, and if there is a faction that has a reason to destroy the BoS, it's the NCR. Still, you can ally the NCR with them.The Jacobstown thing probably isn't a thing that most people in the NCR (e.g. Kimball) approve of, just like Bitter Springs.
5. That's sick. Even if you only mean that you'd approve of canniballism as long as it's in the Fallout universe, I still think that's very sick.
6. He kills his own freaking soldiers. I don't care for what ''cause'' he does that, but that's just disrespectful to those people.
7. hmkay then, fine.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:48 pm

Spoiler

If you beat the Legion quest line without allying with the BoS, then at the end it mentions that the BoS briefly took back Helios One, but got [censored] by the Legion.

Yes and they probably did fight bravely and honorably. Also considering the numbers they had i wouldn't see why they wouldn't get killed. But it most likely took several hundred to the thousands of legion to kill them.

Yah and Bazz22 it is honorable the way the BOS fought at Helios one and i respect them and i respected them before that more than i can say for the NCR or Legion.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:22 pm

I don't like the Great Khans because they harass and attack the NCR (some of them even call THEMSELVES raiders) and then whine when the NCR kills some of them. I like all of the main factions, but like CL the least because of the child soldiers and misogyny(sp)

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:48 pm

I don't like the Great Khans because they harass and attack the NCR (some of them even call THEMSELVES raiders) and then whine when the NCR kills some of them. I like all of the main factions, but like CL the least because of the child soldiers and misogyny(sp)

Yah the great khans are almost like the Legion in some aspects. IF they would attack the ncr then they would get killed simple as that.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:49 pm

Yes and they probably did fight bravely and honorably. Also considering the numbers they had i wouldn't see why they wouldn't get killed. But it most likely took several hundred to the thousands of legion to kill them.

If that was the case I'm sure it'd have been mentioned.

» Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:09 pm

So....The Brotherhood are hiding in their hidey hole because they WANT two powerful factions and a technological genius to be nearby, and not because they are full of goofballs who couldnt fight a dead bloatfly? Must be nice living in your dream world. Suffice it to say, the Brotherhood aren't getting resources, the BoS back West are in just as much trouble right now. Also, Helios is only at a set back because Fantastic lied to get his position. You are drastically overstating the BoS. They arent that powerful, contrary to whatever high esteem you hold them too.

Woah-ho, Fantastic was actually pretty close getting that plant to work. Only thing stopping him was the Follower and NCR's unwillingness to break through the plants defenses.