Male Only Society?

Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:10 pm

When you look at countries that are predominantly male, such as China, Japan, etc., you'll notice that they are highly successful countries. My question is: Since Ceasars Legion is all-male, would they be better for New Vegas???
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:17 pm

When you look at countries that are predominantly male, such as China, Japan, etc., you'll notice that they are highly successful countries. My question is: Since Ceasars Legion is all-male, would they be better for New Vegas???

Your initial suggestion is rather flawed. Most countries with a substantial male bias in the population have it because of migrant workers - and the ability to attract lots of works occurs because of economic prosperity, it doesn't go the other direction. Nations with a substantial male bias among citizens usually treat this as a considerable problem as even in the short term it can result in a lot of strife and the emmigration of those who can afford it (who are often the better educated or wealthier).

There is even some very solid evidence that nations with large populations of unemployed or poorly employed young men often results in civil strife.

As for FONV, the Legion isn't all male, it's just that women are part of the slave caste. The Legion's ruthlessness may be helping them spread in the short term but this isn't tied to their gender balance.

I don't believe the Legion's structure can work in the long term. As they expand it will become more and more difficult for a top heavy government to operate properly. A more feudal system may develop but given the ruthlessness that has been fostered it won't take long before the various feudal lords start going after each other. As for gender, keeping women as part of a slave caste would likely cause problems down the road, although I think the Legion government would disintegrate before then.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:58 am

dident i make a topic before about this........btw thats a sixist question no offence just saying
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:41 am

dident i make a topic before about this........btw thats a sixist question no offence just saying

How can it be sixist? Its only a game....its not real
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:17 pm

That's like saying Britain is predominantly male, because our military is. The law of averages alone says that it will be 50:50 - just we're dealing solely with the army of a patriarchal misogynist society.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:54 am

Your initial suggestion is rather flawed. Most countries with a substantial male bias in the population have it because of migrant workers - and the ability to attract lots of works occurs because of economic prosperity, it doesn't go the other direction. Nations with a substantial male bias among citizens usually treat this as a considerable problem as even in the short term it can result in a lot of strife and the emmigration of those who can afford it (who are often the better educated or wealthier).

There is even some very solid evidence that nations with large populations of unemployed or poorly employed young men often results in civil strife.

As for FONV, the Legion isn't all male, it's just that women are part of the slave caste. The Legion's ruthlessness may be helping them spread in the short term but this isn't tied to their gender balance.

I don't believe the Legion's structure can work in the long term. As they expand it will become more and more difficult for a top heavy government to operate properly. A more feudal system may develop but given the ruthlessness that has been fostered it won't take long before the various feudal lords start going after each other. As for gender, keeping women as part of a slave caste would likely cause problems down the road, although I think the Legion government would disintegrate before then.

This. Doesnt get any better than this answer here.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:40 am

How can it be sixist? Its only a game....its not real

It's sixist because he wondered if the Caesar's Legion would be the better choice because they are all men, because in the real world, countries with a predominant male population apparently are more successful (which I don't believe at all in, if they are successful, it's not because of how many men or women there is.) Caesar's Legion is not sixist in the game, but when you point out that they would be the better choice because they are men only and in real life that is a better option, that is kinda sixist don't you think?
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:23 am

It's sixist because he wondered if the Caesar's Legion would be the better choice because they are all men, because in the real world, countries with a predominant male population apparently are more successful (which I don't believe at all in, if they are successful, it's not because of how many men or women there is.) Caesar's Legion is not sixist in the game, but when you point out that they would be the better choice because they are men only and in real life that is a better option, that is kinda sixist don't you think?

honestly? no.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:53 pm

Nope if anything it makes them weak.

History has shown that you can make slaves work but you can't make then do a good job. History has also shown that countries in time of war that don't utilize women will most likey be the looser. Now the Legion only use women to make babies and as slave labour based on what I have seen. To me that makes them weak. All the men off fighting leaving only slaves behind to work.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:00 pm

I would like to point out that the developed countries of the world are not predominantly male. America, Britain, France, Japan, Russia, Germany, Australia, Brazil(ish), Italy, etc. China also isn't technically a successful country, it is a country with successful people, and military. There is way too much poverty in China.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:31 pm

I would like to point out that the developed countries of the world are not predominantly male. America, Britain, France, Japan, Russia, Germany, Australia, Brazil(ish), Italy, etc. China also isn't technically a successful country, it is a country with successful people, and military. There is way too much poverty in China.

well, they do have higher male populations, but they practice gender equality, and they have prosperous happy societies. China on the other hand... not so happy society, and all prosperity is eaten by http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ROFLMAO-Mao.jpg.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:54 pm

When you look at countries that are predominantly male, such as China, Japan, etc., you'll notice that they are highly successful countries.


Check your facts lol.
First of all, in all advanced countries(the Western world) there is equality of men and women in every aspect.
Second, Japan and China are not predominantly male even though there are some issues...

Women are in a bad position only in the middle east in the fundamentalistic muslim societies.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:59 pm

Roman, (and Spartian Greek) society in theory was a male dominated socity. In practice women had alot of power and used their influance to play king/caesar maker in those societies. In FONV Caesar uses his cult of personality to enforce the early Roman theory of a male dominated society. But as many have pointed out here, that will quickly fall apart into civil war once Caesar is gone.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:35 pm

Caesar's Legion is not sixist in the game,

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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:09 pm

Women are in a bad position only in the middle east in the fundamentalistic muslim societies.

Not so. Women in many Western countries are likely to recieve lesser pay and less likely to recieve promotions as opposed to their male counterpart. Also, not all women are 'opressed', some are content with their traditional roles in the Middle East. Anyway, shutting up before this turns political.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:32 pm

Please be careful when using specific real-world examples, we don't want this to turn towards politics, religion, or nation-bashing.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:32 pm

what the balls?

just because predominantly male countries are succesful doesn't make sixism forgivable.
That's what I don't like about the Legion, after the evolution of ideals and moral standards that created the (western) world we know today, the Legion simply ''goes back to the beginning'', and comes with the most conservative stuff.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:57 pm

There is even some very solid evidence that nations with large populations of unemployed or poorly employed young men often results in civil strife.



Not to mention sixualy oppresed.That is denied marriage/six becaue they dont have the income/status required.
Yes male sixual opression, its not just for the girls, never were.
Its the "unwanted youth"-syndrom and it is still strong all over the world, even in "modern" societies. Even societies that are free and democratic.
It usualy goes hand in hand with female sixual oppresion, bride pay, polygami, legalized prostitution, and is just another reason for men to support feminism.

In short free the women and we men free ourselves.

I am sorry but it is impossible to discuss this without mentioning politics.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:17 pm

I hate the Legion with a vengence, I hate the idea of a male only society and the way they're made makes me want to show them that a woman is just as capable in her own ways. Most likely, after the game is hopefully fixed, I'll have a chance to prove it by killing each and every one of them, or making a less friendly female character who will serve humble pie by showing that women are just as capable.

Males aren't better than females, both genders have their strengths and weaknesses. The world is in a pretty sorry state as it is in real life due to males and their whole 'men rule all' mind set that is still pretty much enforced in this day and age.
Working together and equal considerations of both sides of the coin are better than one side ruling over all and resulting in a great deal of bitterness that can only lead to war, or worse.

Both sides need one another for more than popping out the babies.
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Post » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:19 am

To answer the topic question, I don't think so. It wastes potential manpower.
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