Upon your first visit to Novac in your Fallout: New Vegas play through you will see Victor there. As you all know, the same Victor that pulled you from your grave. Upon talking to him you are given the speech option of saying "I don't like being followed, robot." I tried this speech option. Victor's response was that "Now, it's not my fault that Dorothy and the Tin Man were on the same road, now."

This got me thinking. If Fallout: New Vegas takes place in 2281, how would the character get that reference to the 1939 film "Wizard of Oz?" That got me thinking even more. Which stories have been passed down through the years? Who told Victor the story of the Wizard of Oz? Of course, Mr. House could have occupied all his robots with almost all information, but I would like to see that not as a solution. If I were given the option to go to civilians and ask them to tell me a story, which stories would they tell me? Would they tell me pre-war fairy tales or folk lores? Or would it be "Modern" stories about the events after the war? I would like to see some more people know and reference the tales of the 20 and 21st century. It would be a little nice to know that out efforts of entertainment and art wouldn't go unrecognized even after the world basically went to hell. Like if someone in New Vegas went up to somebody else and said "Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." would they get the reference? Of course, I bought New Vegas for the pleasure of being in a world I am not, but it would be kind of nice to see modern stories or movies referenced in the game. (I am aware of the Indiana Jones reference and the Monty Python references) But I would rather hear maybe an old man tell a story about something someone in today's world would understand.

I'm pretty sure the Courier never actually stating he reconized the Wizard of Oz reference.

Also, Wizard of Oz came out long before 1939.

Mr.House would have been the reason that Victor made reference to the wizard of oz. The Courier may or may not have got the reference. Its up to you to if s/he did. Stories from before the war would have survived. Seeing as how there are pre-war books all over the Mojave wasteland and in DC. Whether the people are literate is another thing.

I never seen Victor at Novac hmy:

I did however see him dead near 5 lakelurks on my way to Boulder City

Bethesda/Obsidian took the 50's theme of America and they wanted to add laser weapons, vertabirds,dudes in power armors,etc therefore they chose a futuristic date with some old references

My guess with Victor is Mr. House has an extensive library and the securitrons have access to it. Special ones like Victor and Jane at least would as they seem to have a better AI than the others. With their AI and programmed personality they would have favorites. Now as to whether the courier got the reference that would be up to the player, providing they themselves got it. I need to check and see if my kids get the reference. What would be passed down would be whatever was popular with the person telling the stories. If it was a book or holotape they found, or current events they witnessed or was told to them. The courier's story would get passed down. There couldn't be an NPC telling stories from our current events. Our world and theirs split in the 50s. Their social culture and technology is based on the 50s. You did not get Apocalypse now and The Matrix with those much less anything from the 2000s.

For me the lakelurks killed victor :cryvaultboy:

I actually feel very foolish looking into it now. I did not remember that there are pre-war books and holotapes.

but then why would Victor make that reference because the Courier would never get it anyway?

It certainly wasn't their idea ~they bought it all from Interplay (who got it work for hire ).

The same reason people do the same thing today...to see if they do get it, and/or to mess with others. Besides, the courier might get it. Unlike FO3 we know nothing of the courier's upbringing/background. The courier may have come across the Wizard of Oz.

My kids do know the Wizard of Oz, but not Gone With the Wind, Dippy Dog, Boscoe the Kid, or Red Hot Rider. I like to find out what they know without them knowing that is what I'm doing. My son thought Star Wars I to III were the first ones. He did not know about Luke and Han, etc. I had to fix that. All he had to go by were those movies and Star Wars Legos.

Umm it came out in 1939. I dont know where your getting your info.

To the OP i think your over thinking this a little bit.

What kind of player would I be if I didn't over think everything? :biggrin:

Um normal.

I'm sure plenty of books survived. And if they did, people probably copied them down, or they were passed down through the generation of survivors.

Along with oral literature. They could be passed down by the Elders through campfire stories.

Lol, I know just as much about (old) pop culture as your kids :facepalm:

Just like the school of impersasion or something.

There was an earlier verison of Wizard of Oz, it was released 1909 I believe, and it was mute sound. I saw the movie before, and it wasn't even black and white. I don't know where you got your info.

EDIT: It was released 1910, my bad.

Well never heard that one before but what everyone knows is the one that was made in 1939.

Actually, Interplay started Fallout, not Bethesda.

I am surprised people have not noticed the abundance of pre-war books around. Even the damaged ones would still have some stories. Like I said in my other post. The only question is how many people are still literate?

I'm sure almost everyone in the NCR is, well, at least in and around Shady Sands, maybe the Hub.

I'd guess at least 35% are literate. The NCR has schools, the Followers of the Apocalypse teach, many Goodsprings, Primm, and Novac's citizens seemed like they could read. If you are a courier you can read. Otherwise why have notes saying what the job is? Tribals would be less likely to read than anyone else. Even then you don't know.

In FO3 you take the letter to Arefu, Little Lamplight has a school, anyone from a vault can read, Moira Brown definately can read, looks like most of Megaton and 99% of Tenpenny Tower, and anyone who uses a terminal (both games). It seems to be more a question of who can't read.