Judging from the Hoover dam battle, when a small squad of Enclave old geezers can take on pretty much the entire Legion...yeah, I'd agree with the OP. Also, during the For Auld Lang Syne quest, Arcade mentions many times how much more capable Enclave troops are than even the BoS, which are more capable than NCR troops, which are more capable than Caesar's Legion (I mean each individual soldier, not the faction as a whole, because both the BoS and Enclave are heavily outnumbered and thus would lose an all-out war against either the NCR or CL).

Play Fallout 2, then you'll see just how capable and tough Enclave troops are. If your not likewise armed and armored and skilled they will murder you in no time flat. They had the BEST armor and weaponry in the game.

I hope the Enclave has somewhat of a presence in future games (more than NV, but less than FO3)

*buzzer sound*

Nope. Never assume my friend. :whistling:

there badass coolness factor does help them however, Just like Imperial stormtroopers!

Enclave should be a little more liberal and merge with the BoS, then proceed to destroy the NCR

Why? The Enclave was at war with the BoS, the BoS are by definition deserters of the USAF. Then to add on that both factions are pretty much reduced to little more than a small dose of people. The Enclave is gone, the BoS are xenophobes who are dwindling down to nothing. The NCR, for all it's faults, is better for the Wastes than the BoS and Enclave. My only fault with NCR is for them to leave House and people who dont want annexation alone.

Even though Styles and Mr. Enclave and LT. showed me the error in my ways, and I now believe (wink wink) that there are no Enclave forces left in the world. I just have to say once again that Ceaser s Legion is the weakest group of main bad guys I ve ever seen in any game ever. I go from f03 where there r soilders shooting plasma rounds and giant balls of fire at me to some guys with spears??????Top tech pa to a guy with a dog head on his head??? Ceaser s Legion makes me want to puke. Next we ll nave the local cheerleading squad as our main enemy. FO4 I don t care who it is but they better be hard. Don t ever send something like CL to fight me again please.

As for the op I can t say it enough fo3 Enclave would slap CL back to year 2 A.D. Talon Comp would scraqe CL too. Just a dramatic letdown in the intensity of the 2 game because out it. Am I saying nv is bad?? No Just needed a little boost in the you could die section. I blame it on CL IMO as always

Compared to Fallout 2's Enclave encounters, I can do just that. In Fallout 2, If you go up to an Enclave patrol with a pipe rifle, you will die so damn bad that the game would have a hard time processing how badly you just died.

That goes without saying though.

You hit Enclave trooper for 0 damage.

You where critically hit for 230 damage! Ouch!

You have died.

Well all older games were harder. Now they all cater to the crybadies. Back in the day I think the devs wanted to make u cry. I played some old school turn based rpgs back in the day, and they were hard. There were things you could not kill until way later in the game. Deathclaws r like that, but that s about it. CL just bad. I still think you ll have a hard time with those 2 check points and 25 max dam. hunting rifle. No stims unless u can get to cover. Either way CL is even easier then. How ever easy u say fo3 Enclave were CL is 10 times easier.

well i think the latest games are easier than the old ones because they aren't turn based and completely stat based, so in FO3 & NV you can use cover and spam stimpaks and stuff.

Also, i know it's basically canon but i dislike the 1 guy defeated them all argument because it is the player character...


Anyways, idk how the Enclave would have done against the NCR, BoS and other groups without the player's interference, but i bet they would have been defeated eventually due to them not getting new members like the NCR, the NCR could just use Zap Brannigan's war tactics to beat them, lol.

I don't think Caesar's Legion is as big as the NCR but they are definitely bigger than the Enclave, so the same tactic applies, though idk what the Legion would do against carpet-bombing Vertibirds, as it seemed they were an issue in FO3 until the BoS created the Tesla Cannons. Same goes for the NCR i suppose.

Without the army, I'm sure House would be decimated by the Enclave (I'm talking before they were destroyed for all of these, btw), because of their tech and armor. With the army it would be much more difficult, but idk where they are all stationed, lol. I think a bunch of Vertibird bomb drops would do a great deal of damage to the securitrons as long as they could avoid the missiles.


Well that's my take on how an undestroyed Enclave would fare against the 3 main groups of FO:NV (as that is what this topic was created for anyways). Also, i don't think they should come back en masse too, i think maybe they could have more guys than in FO:NV though, here is an idea. More renmants like in FONV, but are actually grouped together but undercover, secretly trying to amass their strength. You can find out who they are by working with them or sneaking around, and can either destroy them or help them. Something like that would be fine, imo.

With DT implemented? I dont think so

Enclave was cannon fodder in FO3, for not saying laser and plasma fodder too,

I think you just hate Caesar Legion, considering that this not was the first time that you Compare Legion with Enclave

ok you re entited to your oplnion we must just be playing different games. DT Ceaser s Prime Legionaries have like 12 or 15. Hellfire pa was like 50 rating and the telsa was like 40. When you re talking about that big of a difference DT is meaningless. I don t like CL they svck. Bad idea they r only like 3000 years past their prime. That was great againt other guys with swords and smb s, but guess what......I M not using a sword. Enclave isn t either.

You can't compare the max level either, all armor they had on was damaged to the point where it had like 20 DR for the most part. DT of 12-15 is proof against most low to mid power weapons in NV.

how do u know what level anyones armour was at after you just shot or beat the crap out of it. In fo3 it would put holes in pa (they didnt stay there though) Main point u cant know what condition armour was in before you destroyed it in either game. Whatever it was u just made it alot worse. I d spend 3-4 clips of the top Chinese ar rounds (Xeng Wan or what ever)on a hellfire trooper. That had to beat the crap out of it. CL a few cowboy repeter shots at most put them to sleep. Excluding the dam, Ceaser s tent not his base but just his tent and the Legit CL has no chance of killing you or even taking you to 3/4 life. That is why I don t like them THEY ARE WAY WAY WAY TOO EASY. I say 12-15 because im not sure which it is.