Only read the text in spoiler tags when you don't mind spoilers about potention BoS endings.

Heh I hate them both, I hope that the BoS discover some pre-war super weapon and in a paniced fluster of getting the arses handed to them destroy themselves and the NCR :chaos:

i meant the DC BoS, not this incompetent abortion in NV

The DC chapter is more kindhearted than the Mojave chapter, they're actually trying to help mankind. Mankind only though, as they apparently shoot the ghouls of Underworld on sight. Less friendly.

Those abortions are the original BOS

But nevermind, I hate them all, except the MWBOS

Also, DC BOS shoot ghouls on sight, So, :spotted owl: :spotted owl: :spotted owl:

yes ghouls are a trick thing you never know if they are civilizaded or feral

Or if they are krazies. (By far the most dangerous one of them.)

They talk and most of them have weapons

How hard is to make the difference?

i uphold the policy of shooting first ask later

I dont believe what my eyes saw :blink:

I uphold the policy of shooting first and discussing price later.

My take on the subject is, that this is not the same Brotherhood of Steel you remember from Fallout 3. The leader of the D.C. chapter, Owen Lyons was extremely liberal compared to the BoS back out west. It's the reason the chapter out east split into two opposing factions; because, their views on the world were so different. If he went back west they would have surely executed him, the only reason no one bothered to stop him in FO3 was because he had so many devoted followers at the time. Knowing that, you can say the chapter in Nevada would be considered more of an Enclave like problem to the area rather than a solution; thus making them more of a threat to anyone and everyone. If you did the quest for Veronica you can see how fast they will kill one of their own for even slightly deviating from their crude archaic doctrine. Even Veronica can see that their faction is dying; because they refuse to adapt to the changing world and these are the type of people who are so devoted to their cause they would rather die than change, so by blowing up their bunker, you essentially are putting them out of their misery. You should realistically be rewarded a large amount of good karma for ending their existence.

I think New Vegas should be the game that does away with the old factions, Enclave and BoS, it seems only fitting they disappear into oblivion just like the Enclave does at the end of the game. I honestly never bothered with Power Armor once on my multiple play throughs of NV, it just didn't seem to fit into the theme of the game well for me. It had more of this old west/gang warfare style to it, rather than a clash of the titans like in FO3, so to me it kinda felt like Power Armor was being phased out. You can bring up a list of things presented by Veronica during her quest that tells you that all the technology they had been clinging to so dearly, is now becoming obsolete, if you got the pulse gun you know exactly what I mean. In the new world, diplomacy is more powerful than technology and if you actually payed attention to anything you were doing in New Vegas you'll totally agree with me. You can form an army based around numerous factions just by being a smooth talker and getting things done that benefit everyone, not just a few people. There isn't enough Power Armor in the world that can stop that.

So you can safely say the Brotherhood of Steel is now nothing more than a broken down cult, that's at it's end and no matter what choice you make in the game, it has no real future in the Fallout Series, unless some new apocalyptic even occurs, causing technology to become scarce again; which, I don't see that happening, since most of the new factions in the Fallout series believe in the manufacturing, marking and proliferation of technology. The BoS, doesn't believe in any of that, thus making them more of a thorn in the side of progress.

This is just stuff I gathered from playing FO3 and FONV, hope it helps.

While I'm sick of BOS they do need to be included two more times.
New Vegas gave us the views on one chapter in the west, I'd rather not put a tombstone directly on that.
Have them in the next game Fallout: Arizona go out for good, like, we get to hear that this is the last chapter on the west coast and that everything else has been taken over, or we at least need to have people mentioning their downfall.

Second inclusion is east coast.
They started the Lyons/Outcast story so they better finish it up and not just leave it out.
I don't like Lyons Brotherhood.
I don't like BOS.
But I don't like a major faction just disappearing from the rest of the franchise either.
So they need at least one more game on the east coast and to be included or heavily mentioned in one more game on the west coast.
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Then we have Tactics II.
@Bethesda, when the hell are you gonna let Micro Forté develop Tactics II?

I agree that it's annoying that you can't deal with the BoS in an other way (whether by truce or just lying to House and getting the BoS to lay low), but House's perspective is probably that he himself IS technology, his Securitron army is a technological, military asset, and his various Lucky 38 networks are high value targets or acquisitions for the BoS. The BoS isn't known for asking for these things or letting other people control them, so in House terms ... that pretty much means conflict with the BoS would be inevitable at some point.

I love the way the BoS are portrayed in NV, and I love that every faction will want them done away with (not counting the Yes Man path as a faction). While they are isolationists, it's clear that they could cause a lot of trouble for any of the major factions in the area. It makes perfect sense that House would want them removed and I'm glad they cut the option of an alliance between the two.

It's a great turn-around as well because in previous games (except in F2 where they were not really a big presence), they've been a prominent faction that the player was quite likely to work with (well, I think the DC Brotherhood can barely be thought of as the BoS and the player is forced to work with them). Think it was awesome that the devs made it so that it's very likely that the player gets asked to wipe out the BoS in NV, though again, if the player is determined enough, he could avoid it.

The western BoS is one of the most interesting factions in the Fallout world. And I think it would make for a wonderful arc for them to have started out as a pretty damn powerful group in Fallout 1, but they slowly fade into obscurity because of their extreme views.

If I am correct, Frank Horrigan was a mutant. Don't oust the probability. Either way, if the Oil Rig wasn't destroyed, Mr. House probably would have wanted the Courier to destroy the rig. Mr House is no better than the Brotherhood or the Enclave. (I personally think if the Enclave was still around, it would kick Mr. House's ass.)

Horrigan was a special case. he was head of President Richardsons' Secret Service. He got exposed to it, and him, being pure strain, they wanted to study him and experiment on him. Thus we have Horrigan, IE: The toughest Fallout foe e_e

Yeah. I think they made an exception for Horrigan because he was already in the Enclave before he was exposed to FEV.

Remember, its not only the Securitrons that BoS would be interested in. Mr House is 260 years old. For a group like BoS who don't recruit, that tech would be invaluable.

So not only are the BoS a threat to Houses robots, they're a direct threat on his own life

Though, I still would have preferred a diplomatic solution. Maybe tell the Brotherhood that they are unwelcome in the Mojave, and their only options are leave or be destroyed.

I wish you could lie to mr house and say you killed the bos.You do quests for them and in time you go in kill house and move the bos to the lucky 38 and have all the securitrons and become the elder of the Mojave chapter bos and eat fresh ncr corpses.YUM!.And fill mr houses corpe with fancy lad snack cakes and use him as a pinnate.

i think it was smart to get rid of the speech option. it fits better. house represents everything the bos is fighting against. could you make israel and palestine suddenly stop hating each other? i see the relationship between house and the bos to be similar. they are philosophically opposed. the bos sole purpose is to hoard tech like house's. house's sole purpose is to spread and grow tech.

re: 100 speech. no matter how high your speech is, in game or real life, there are some things you simply can't convince people to do. speech is a reflection of persuasion, not mind control. try to convince an islamic terrorist that jihad is foolish and there is no allah. good luck with that. i see the belief system held by house and the bos to be in the same vein.