Because some writers will have to decide what really happened there. In game you can make everyone win. They have to actually tells us what really happened there one day, so this is why we r talking about what may happen in lore battle. In game doesnt count because they were both dumb and there r no where near enough men there for both sides. You think a total of 100 guys will fight over the dam for 20mins? It would be more like 400,000 or more guys fighting for months or years. all up and down the river. The game cant have 50 000 men on the dam. It will freeze. For every guy you see in game there are really 50 just like him/her when it comes to armies.

But in reality, Independent Vegas will always wins. Securitron army, Enclave, Brotherhood Of Steel tech, Supermutants, Kings... not even the NCR can match that. And the Legion, with their knives, definitely can't. Also, they have a REASON to fight. Legion don't - they could just move off elsewhere. NCR don't, they are just conscripts being told to hold the dam. They'd run given half the chance. For the people of Vegas though, they're fighting for their home, their community, their farms, their water and power. A fight for survival, rather than territory.

I agree I feel I have countered many of the things you have saig though. I just can t do it all at one time, because of ps3 word limitations. We ll agree to disagree.........

The courier can not be taken into account in any faction when deciding what will be canon. Benny can t get the securitron army, because Ceaser will not let him. House can t get it either, because he can t do it without the help of a walking tank.

NCR or CL are the only ones capable of doing anything without you being involved. So cl or NCR r the only options for a sensible canon ending.

Actually, if the Courier died, House would likely find a suitable replacement.

I'd say House is the most likely canon, myself.

And your reason why?

Most neutral and easily integratable (?), is why.

Hes not very practical...

He wont find a walking tank like us lol

He would try though

Independent Vegas is my favorite option, and what I think will be the most likely canon ending (or Mr. House). as for the people saying one can't take the Courier into account, of course you can. All the other games have, and is our only real way to determine who the winner will be at Hoover dam. Also, its been stressed that the NCR wasting time and resources into controlling the Mojave and Hoover Dam is impractical considering the internal problems they face already. As for Caesar's Legion, it is implied (if you have 100 speech and used it against Lanius) that they would be in the same predicament as the NCR if they continue their campaign west. So, Yes Man/Mr. House will most probably be the canon ending for FNV.

they said Canon would be which ever ending is most popular on the networks (Steam etc). Anarchy has been the most popular since the start.

Mr. House seems the most likely canon option to me. If any other faction wins, House will die, destroying an entire main faction in the process. The NCR will be too big and too strong for any competition if they win Hoover Dam, making the national ingame politics quite boring. Yes Man would be very difficult to use in the future, as the state of the Mojave depends on the nature of the Courier.

Caesar's Legion would be ridiculous. I like the idea of Caesar being the dominant force in New Mexico and Arizona, but the entire spirit and nature of New Vegas would be lost if Caesar took it.
Vegas is lights, luck, glamour and jazz music. Not campfires, crucifixion, slavery and training drums.

Mr. House saved Vegas, Mr. House runs Vegas. The man is Vegas. There really is no alternative as to who should be victorious in the game canon.

Damn, hard question. Let me think, I spent 500over hrs on Fallout 3 from which most time was having the mesmetron(slaving gun) and a Brotherhood armor on hand changing their clothes to the brotherhood armor. So yes it is the Brotherhood of Steel.

Who cares if Anarchy is more popular. Mr. House is more practical than lawlessness and chaos. House has a real plan for bringing back the world. Anarchy is just going to bring more pain to the Vegas region. :shrug:

The only one which somewhat messes things up is CL since the most of the strip's citizens get enslaved and IIRC Ceasar doesn't like technology which probably means no more casinos.

Yeah I'd rather have House over Yes Man or NCR.
NCR is has had their moment in the sun and I would hate to have them kill off House and push back the Legion.
And I'm sick of the "total anarchy!" thing as it doesn't make sense 200+ years after the bombs dropped.
So it's either House or Legion for me.
Legion is not only because overall I prefer their way of doing things and their goal but because it'd be nice to for once have the less moral or "evil" faction be the canon ending in an RPG.

But House could allow all three factions to survive.
Legion goes back to Arizona to regain their strength.
NCR starts falling apart and more "extreme" methods are used to keep it's lands and citizens in check.
And House is allowed to live and further his plans. (Even though I don't fully like his way of doing things.)

All three factions survive and are given the chance to evolve for the next game with House as canon ending.

Independence first, NCR second, House third and Legion last, in any estimate.

Wait, what? That doesn't make any sense. By that logic, the Vault Dweller, the Chosen One and the Lone Wanderer never actually existed in the lore; they were all just fantasies tossed into the actual game for the player to play as.
The player can customize his character, but in the end, there is a canon Vault Dweller, a canon Chosen One, a canon Lone Wanderer AND a canon Courier. The canon ending WILL involve the Courier.




Can we get a quote or a source on this?



But in my opinion, canon will be either Yes Man or Mr. House. We probably won't know which one even after they announce it. I'm guessing we'll just get subtle statements about Mr. House still controlling New Vegas, but that he's been acting different or strange ever since the Courier arrived. Yes man said he found a program to make him more assertive and Mr. House seems aware of Yes Man if you tell him about him, saying it will fail; imagine if that program was an AI program Mr. House left behind of himself.

Favorite faction: Me (Yes Man)

All the virtues of house, none of the egomania. As much as House claims to just want a free Vegas, he's really only interested in his own goals. Anyone who might be counter to those goals is summarily destroyed *cough*BoS*cough* and anyone from whom House stands to profit will be crushed beneath bureaucracy and paperwork

With me in charge, Vegas is free to keep on keeping on. Anyone and everyone is welcome (assuming they meet the credit check) Even those silly Caeser boys can come visit the dissolutes if they feel so inclined. Not that they would partake of the sins of the strip, but if they needed to deliver a message, or visit someone on the strip, they wouldn't need to be all incognito.

Freeside is built up, and the Followers have a steady supply of meds. The Kings are playing nice with NCR after Pacer's tragic medical incident. Even the Khans are free to ply their trade, and while their main customer is no more, the Khans have learned some new, more beneficial mixtures that'll keep their business booming

I'd like to note to the people that seem to be claiming that Caesar isn't bringing any good at all to the wasteland that if Obsidian fleshed them out a bit more, it is likely we would see running water, advanced engineering, some nice hygiene systems, and so on, back home in Arizona. While Caesar wants Vegas to be his Rome, that doesn't mean he's trying to copy other aspects of Rome, namely ones pertaining to infrastructure, in the process.

I do hope there's a Legion centric add-on down the road. Help cast them in a slightly more understandable light. Give them more "ends justifies the means" while still showcasing their extreme methods.

Well, aside from Honest Hearts, because I suspect Mr. Graham will not have a high opinion of Caeser at this point. Then again, you never know.

Caeser's Legion, Powder Gangers, The Great Khans and The Kings. "KILL NCR"

i was getting sick of the NCR/CL fight, so i choose independent Vegas. Ya know why? No, is not anarchy, especially if you upgrade the securitrons. Anarchy means absolutely no order, does it say the entire wasteland remains a chaotic rebellious place, not that i saw, it could also mean more ordered freedom, which the courier/yes man could set up their own goverment and rules if they wanted to.

also if CL was like the actual roman army, only the centurions would be trained in tactical warfare, so for all we know wipe out the guy ordering the others, the rest are just fodder.

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