The brotherhood of Steel in FNV : Fallout: New Vegas

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:28 am

I never heard of them, what game did they come out on for I can look up more info on them?

Fallout Tactics

They become less selfish, yet become a Fascist-esque faction in the Midwestern region

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:19 pm

I see, thats cool well thanks for letting me know im about to get my read on. lol :dance:

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:36 pm

Just got done reading a little something about the Mid West brotherhood they sound awesome.So your telling me all the people that nagged about the brotherhood from Fallout 3 recruiting people and doing things a bit different already happed in a earlier Fallout game.WoW They probably have one of the strongest chapters ever in the mid west.It would be awesome if the NCR chased the brotherhood out of the west and kept chasing them till they got to the Mid West and East Cost and saw the real power of the brotherhood and said F!(@ this S*%# maybe the west cost chapters could go take over Florida or something but they probably couldn't handle that either.lol

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:33 am

It would be awesome if the NCR chased the brotherhood out of the west and kept chasing them till they got to the Mid West and East Cost and saw the real power of the brotherhood and said F!(@ this S*%# maybe the west cost chapters could go take over Florida or something but they probably couldn't handle that either.lol

Apparently the Brotherhood already had a full-scale war with the NCR inbetween F2 and F3.

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:03 pm

( And once again we get derailed by talking about the Nazi ending to Tactics. I have taken the time to read about Tactics, and i am not going to talk about it except to remind you Dario there is more than one ending to Tactics, and while i respect your choices and opinions, the Nazi ending is not Canon, and in the future, please refrain from referring to that as such please. Speaking personally, that actually would discourage me from actually ever buying Tactics if it ever was Canon, and my feelings are very strong about Anti Fascism. Now, As for this wonderful discussion that Mayanzero brought up, I will not talk about the east, they are fine with their recruiting and such. However, The West needs to gets it's act together, the Mojave Chapter showed how they can work with NCR, not fight them without giving away spoilers, if they can show that to the rest of the Chapters, that would not only result in an end to this pointless struggle, but it would give the Brotherhood time to maybe adapt by learning as well, we will see if they do, i do not know, no one knows, but i do not want to see them die off from where they started.)

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:40 pm

( And once again we get derailed by talking about the Nazi ending to Tactics. I have taken the time to read about Tactics, and i am not going to talk about it except to remind you Dario there is more than one ending to Tactics, and while i respect your choices and opinions, the Nazi ending is not Canon, and in the future, please refrain from referring to that as such please. Speaking personally, that actually would discourage me from actually ever buying Tactics if it ever was Canon, and my feelings are very strong about Anti Fascism. Now, As for this wonderful discussion that Mayanzero brought up, I will not talk about the east, they are fine with their recruiting and such. However, The West needs to gets it's act together, the Mojave Chapter showed how they can work with NCR, not fight them without giving away spoilers, if they can show that to the rest of the Chapters, that would not only result in an end to this pointless struggle, but it would give the Brotherhood time to maybe adapt by learning as well, we will see if they do, i do not know, no one knows, but i do not want to see them die off from where they started.)

I never talked about the "Nazi" ending

I said that they act like a fascist-esque faction in that ending

Barnaky ending could be the canon ending

So does the "Sacrifice" ending or the others

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:18 pm

I never talked about the "Nazi" ending

I said that they act like a fascist-esque faction in that ending

Barnaky ending could be the canon ending

So does the "Sacrifice" ending or the others

(Valid, and to the point as usual. I will keep what i logically think is the right ending based on my observations to myself though, unless asked in opinion.)

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:51 am

Read my post again. The Vertibird didn't have any weapons. In fact no Vertibird we encounter in the West is armed.

Planes left unmaintained for 200 years are going to be easily salvageable? That assumes you even have some qualified pilots and the fuel to run them. They also appeared to be civilian planes so they'd be of minimal utility in a fight.

Dude, Boomer's B-25 bomber, that was in a [censored] lake since the 1940's!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND the Boomers still manage to fly it

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:32 pm

BTW, Fallout Tactics is indeed canon, the main events at least, we just dont know which ending, the Barnaky ending is much more a colorful template to be built upon, making them a more complex and interesting faction, it leaves a better setting for future games and interactions.

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:35 pm

When Fallout 3 came out the only thing I heard was the Eastcost Brotherhood Of Steel are a joke,that they are a bunch of tree hugger's and weak, that the westcost Brotherhood would be 100 times better,NV comes out, first thing I do is look for the Brotherhood thinking maybe these people had a good point, 20 hours in I finally get meet the so called,"Real Brotherhood of the West. And what happens!?! NOTHING! All I heard was we cant go out we are to scared of the NCR and Legion, we don't want fight we don't got the numbers, we just want to stay in are hole where its safe. :violin: FINE!!!! I thought to myself, maybe if I help them out they will stop crying and do something hours later after doing all there missions what happens? Nothing! They are still to scared to do anything. :swear: Those old bastards from the Enclave with arthritides and bad hearts did more then the whole westcost brotherhood chapter. :rofl: O ya I really think that they were going to show lyons and his east cost chapter a thing or to. :rofl: By the way witch one do you think would win in a fight the ones hiding in their holes crying holding on to the codex for dear life or the ones that had to to fight their way cost to cost to get to the the Great CW. Where their numbers where half of what they started with because of their long journey and then got even smaller since the outcast broke away. But still said f%&* it we are going to help the CW people, even on their last legs where determent to fight the Super Mutant, Raiders,Talon Company,and one the best factions ever the Enclave and still come out of it even stronger then before.Stronger you say?? yes, stronger because they do something smart like recruit people like they did in the Pitt. And not just anybody they get kids for they could grow up with the the same values that have been with the brotherhood since the start.So if anything their number went up after all the fighting but not just that theirs now nobody in their way. So that means they can look for even more power armor and technology then the brotherhood of the west can ever look for.So please tell me who would win the ones forging their own path by fighting their way to the top or the ones hoping everybody dies off while they hide away in their holes. :rofl: I agree let the westcost brotherhood die off because there really is no need for them anymore. :wavey:

I remember someone saying that the BoS and the NCR could making a truce that the BoS could scavenge any tech that wasn't owned and operate within NCR borders while providing millitary support to the NCR when needed. Also the Outcasts should rejoin the CWBoS and make a deal. Part of the BoS scavenge tech and the others help the locals.

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:54 am

BTW, Fallout Tactics is indeed canon, the main events at least, we just dont know which ending, the Barnaky ending is much more a colorful template to be built upon, making them a more complex and interesting faction, it leaves a better setting for future games and interactions.

( i would join Talon Company if i saw the fascist ending become canon, i hate it that much after i saw the ending! No, i think the only ending i have liked is the Calculator being destroyed, simple as that, makes the most sense to me.)

» Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:03 pm

( i would join Talon Company if i saw the fascist ending become canon, i hate it that much after i saw the ending! No, i think the only ending i have liked is the Calculator being destroyed, simple as that, makes the most sense to me.)

You say that like it is a bad thing, the calculator destruction ending is boring, it is too closed, nothing can really be elaborated on, i dont like the Barnaky ending because i like what happens, but because it has the most interesting consequences to elaborate on, and before you call me a fascist, i hate Nazis, Fascists, and Communists with all my passion, killing Fascists and Commies is in my family.

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:55 am

You say that like it is a bad thing, the calculator destruction ending is boring, it is too closed, nothing can really be elaborated on, i dont like the Barnaky ending because i like what happens, but because it has the most interesting consequences to elaborate on, and before you call me a fascist, i hate Nazis, Fascists, and Communists with all my passion, killing Fascists and Commies is in my family.

(Oh i would not call you a Fascist, that is a given fact with your track record. Now, As for the Fascist ending, i cannot fathom it in my mind that the Brotherhood would willingly go along with this [Long censored] General, unless they felt his solution is the best one of all to their goals, but it is sick, twisted, and wrong. If that ever became Canon, I hope for the love of God, someone, abiet the West and/or East coast Brotherhood stop them and their evil and set them back on the right path. As for the Calculator destruction ending, it to me just seems the most fitting, the most logical, the one that fits the brotherhood the most from what they are, fighting and facing adversity at every step as they should, and not having the easy way out by having a machine make it easy for them. Granted they lost valuable tech, but they still gained valuable tech, even ground. It may not be the perfect reasoning, but it makes sense to me at least.)

» Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:04 am

Personally, I think it's questionable which *IS* the real Brotherhood of Steel at this point. The California Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel seems to have been annihilated by the New California Republic. Unless someone makes a new game that clarifies the point, I think people are wrong to think there's this big amount of reinforcements awaiting them.

It's entirely possible that the Mojave Chapter of the BOV is *IT* west of the Midwest (unlikely but possible). Actually, I find this the much more poetic option that the Hidden Bunker is the last remnant of the Brotherhood of Steel and the Elder's position becomes MUCH more understandable. So does Veronica's position.

Elder Lyons, by contrast, is pretty much the ruler of the Capital Wasteland. Rivet City has formally allied with the Brotherhood of Steel, they control the Purifier, the LW may or may not have annihilated the majority of Super Mutants in the Capital Wasteland for the Brotherhood, the LW does the majority of fighting at Adam's Air Force base and now the Brotherhood has a nifty new base of operations.

Since they're basically doing all of Veronica's suggestions, they're more or less transforming into a Feudal Nation-State with Lyons as King. It's like they have all of the "bring back civilization through military force" of Caesar with none of the bad.

If the LW becomes dictator of Pittsburgh, they also have access to the world's first functioning steel works.

Yup. As much as I like Fallout 3 for its own merits, I wish I could just ignore the ending sequence. It made absolutely no sense. The East Coast Brotherhood crapped themselves when the Enclave first showed up (and rightly so) and talked about their inferiority in weapons and armor (and rightly so) but then in the end it was just "oh hey...yeah we managed to get that top-secret robot thingy working so go use it to completely annihilate that group that we feared so much!" Liberty Prime was a freaking joke (I love his catchphrases though) and the Enclave should have mopped the floor with the East Coast based on what I saw in the game. Sarah Lyons and her "pride" didn't do a dang thing, it was one freaking "script shields at 150%" robot that did everything.

The Enclave was potentially already finished by that time, if you recall. The LW can convince JHE to blow up the base with a fairly easy Speech Check or Science Check. If he DOESN'T, the Enclave is just occupying the Purifier with a small garrison. If he DOES blow up Raven Rock, the Enclave is pretty much decapitated leadership wise with a HUGE chunk of their military presumably taken out in the process as well (not to mention probably the entirety of their civilian force).

The only reason the Brotherhood of Steel did so well against the Enclave either way was because John Henry Eden and Autumn are taken out of the picture either way.

Even then, the ONLY reason the Brotherhood of Steel won at Adam's Air Force base was because the Tesla Canon wielding LW annihilating the lion's share of their Power Armor wearing troops.

As for Fallout tactics, I think the ending without the Computer works best.