Desert and Ranger Combat armor

Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:52 pm

How does the plasma pistol/rifle work.
How does a pill cure radiation poisoning.
How do Mr Gutsy's/handy's float for hundreds of years without any visible gas tank. (let alone one that would contain enough fuel to last for centuries)



Its the future. Thats how.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:27 pm

Erm, I don't think you guys fully comprehend how preposterous the 'technology' is in some parts of FO.

No, we wouldn't be able to create plasma weapons, even if we did have their nuclear battery, which we don't, obviously..
Not going to go into the mechanics of this, but, google fusion engines. There are many places/facilities that are experimenting with holding super hot gas (plasma) in place using magnetic fields to induce fusion.
These facilities are abo[censored]ely ENORMOUS and they aren't even perfected yet, having a handheld 'version' is kinda dumb, not only that BUT once that plasma is ejected from the weapon it would instantly melt the weapons barrel AND the field containing it would have to be interrupted incinerating everything in the local vacinity including the gun and its user.. (ok, guess I went into the mechanics a little bit)

Radaway 'flushes' away radiation? Again, not fully comprehending what it means to be 'irradiated'

Nuclear propulsion? Ahuh, and tell me, what is the propellant that we can see being forced out of the bottom of the gutsies 'engine'? Magically neverending nuclear gas?

I'm not saying its a bad thing thats these things are in the game, the bad thing is when we ignore these blatant defiances of physics and instead try and pick apart a suit of armor :S
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:57 pm

Its the future. Thats how.


Now take that answer and apply it to 'why the armor is as good as it is'.

Because that would make the same amount of sense.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:10 pm

Erm, I don't think you guys fully comprehend how preposterous the 'technology' is in some parts of FO.

No, we wouldn't be able to create plasma weapons, even if we did have their nuclear battery, which we don't, obviously..
Not going to go into the mechanics of this, but, google fusion engines. There are many places/facilities that are experimenting with holding super hot gas (plasma) in place using magnetic fields to induce fusion.
These facilities are abo[censored]ely ENORMOUS and they aren't even perfected yet, having a handheld 'version' is kinda dumb, not only that BUT once that plasma is ejected from the weapon it would instantly melt the weapons barrel AND the field containing it would have to be interrupted incinerating everything in the local vacinity including the gun and its user.. (ok, guess I went into the mechanics a little bit)

Radaway 'flushes' away radiation? Again, not fully comprehending what it means to be 'irradiated'

Nuclear propulsion? Ahuh, and tell me, what is the propellant that we can see being forced out of the bottom of the gutsies 'engine'? Magically neverending nuclear gas?

I'm not saying its a bad thing thats these things are in the game, the bad thing is when we ignore these blatant defiances of physics and instead try and pick apart a suit of armor :S



Pretty sure Rad-Away flushes out the radioactive elements and/or prevents the body from utilizing radioactive elements within. Sort of like how the first thing relief workers do in the event of widespread contamination is provide Iodine supplements so that people do not absorb the radioactive isotope of iodine in their pituitary gland (they learned that trick from how people died because of the Chernobyl disaster or was it Hiroshima /shrug).
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:55 pm

Pretty sure Rad-Away flushes out the radioactive elements and/or prevents the body from utilizing radioactive elements within. Sort of like how the first thing relief workers do in the event of widespread contamination is provide Iodine supplements so that people do not absorb the radioactive isotope of iodine in their pituitary gland (they learned that trick from how people died because of the Chernobyl disaster or was it Hiroshima /shrug).


Yeah kinda figured that myself tbh, problem is it works no matter how long you've been irradiated for, which means it seems to do more than that...
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:39 pm

Erm, I don't think you guys fully comprehend how preposterous the 'technology' is in some parts of FO.

No, we wouldn't be able to create plasma weapons, even if we did have their nuclear battery, which we don't, obviously..
Not going to go into the mechanics of this, but, google fusion engines. There are many places/facilities that are experimenting with holding super hot gas (plasma) in place using magnetic fields to induce fusion.
These facilities are abo[censored]ely ENORMOUS and they aren't even perfected yet, having a handheld 'version' is kinda dumb, not only that BUT once that plasma is ejected from the weapon it would instantly melt the weapons barrel AND the field containing it would have to be interrupted incinerating everything in the local vacinity including the gun and its user.. (ok, guess I went into the mechanics a little bit)

Again, it's just a matter of miniaturization. Things are huge, then we better develop the technology and shrink it down. There's no real science to explain this other than better/more efficient construction and/or materials. Fallout isn't just a dystopian future. It's an alternate history future that developed its technology on a completely different path from ours. It is impossible to explain these technologies because we would use completely different techniques to achieve them. Somehow, the Fallout universe made cathode ray tube technology develop into more than what we did with it. This can't be explained in terms that make sense to use because we invented the micro chip and thus our technology is completely different.

Radaway 'flushes' away radiation? Again, not fully comprehending what it means to be 'irradiated'

RadAway simply travels via the blood stream and kills cancerous cells would be my guess. If Interplay/Black Isle/Bethesda/Obsidian could explain exactly how this occurs, they'd be rich playboys instead of game developers.


Nuclear propulsion? Ahuh, and tell me, what is the propellant that we can see being forced out of the bottom of the gutsies 'engine'? Magically neverending nuclear gas?


Not propellant. Just heat waves.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:34 pm

Back on topic please. Anyway, from what I've read, the Desert and Ranger combat armor has leather under the armor, as well as concealed light weight steel plating in the legs. The coat also seems to be made of a sturdy type of leather. (reinforced?)
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:47 pm

>snip<


You've just pretty much proved my point tbh. These things are fine because FO isn't real, its a game set in an alternate universe.
So, calling it 'just a game' is pretty valid when you think about what this topic is actually about.

If you judge the armour by our universes rules then it doesn't make sense, but in FO, its fine because its simply a game.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:26 pm

You've just pretty much proved my point tbh. These things are fine because FO isn't real, its a game set in an alternate universe.
So, calling it 'just a game' is pretty valid when you think about what this topic is actually about.

If you judge the armour by our universes rules then it doesn't make sense, but in FO, its fine because its simply a game.

If you dont like the topic then leave, no one wants to hear your bull s#it. Yes, its "just a game", but people still want to find where things in the game fit in the real world. If you dont have anything to say about the topic other than critisizing people for what they think, well..again no one wants to hear your bull s#!t
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:02 pm

You've just pretty much proved my point tbh. These things are fine because FO isn't real, its a game set in an alternate universe.
So, calling it 'just a game' is pretty valid when you think about what this topic is actually about.

If you judge the armour by our universes rules then it doesn't make sense, but in FO, its fine because its simply a game.


Well, I never made the argument you're protesting. I only attempted to explain FO's technology, since they are explainable in general terms. Plasma weapons create magnetic fields that contain the plasma, RadAway is basically a cancer cure, and Gutsies are nuclear powered.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:42 am

Those are Deathclaw Skin jeans. Done

:rofl:
Winning.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:33 am

If you dont like the topic then leave, no one wants to hear your bull s#it. Yes, its "just a game", but people still want to find where things in the game fit in the real world. If you dont have anything to say about the topic other than critisizing people for what they think, well..again no one wants to hear your bull s#!t


Wow, way to take critisim there sparky..

Ok hows about this..

"I see your point, you are TOTALLY right, I mean how can the Ranger possibly have more DT than combat armor, this just makes no sense at all. Whatever shall we do??"

Is that better?

I mean what exactly did you expect to come of this thread?
You think the armour will get changed?
Perhaps someone will tell you some personal opinion about why 'they' think the armor is strong, one that fits in with something you were thinking.
Will that make things better?

The answer is very simple, the ranger armor is strong because it is the armor of the desert/veteran rangers.
They are one of the toughest npc's in the 'game'.
Would it make sense for their armour to be pretty rubbish?
The 'game' makes their outfit cool and strong because that how it wants them portrayed.

Typing in special characters to get around the chat filter doesn't make your post sound cool or hip.
If anything it just showcases your complete and utter lack of vocabulary.
Forums aren't a place for everyone to cuddle and agree on everything, I happened to find your question both baffling and a little funny tbh.
Others find it intriguing, I merely attempted to point out the eventual pointlessness of such a debate.
You may indeed be correct about wondering about the effectiveness of that particular armour but in the grand scheme of ridiculous/fantastic things in FO is it really that important?

I will however take your advice and leave this thread, your a very rude person and I don't particularly want to talk to you anyway.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:27 pm

Erm, I don't think you guys fully comprehend how preposterous the 'technology' is in some parts of FO.

No, we wouldn't be able to create plasma weapons, even if we did have their nuclear battery, which we don't, obviously..
Not going to go into the mechanics of this, but, google fusion engines. There are many places/facilities that are experimenting with holding super hot gas (plasma) in place using magnetic fields to induce fusion.
These facilities are abo[censored]ely ENORMOUS and they aren't even perfected yet, having a handheld 'version' is kinda dumb, not only that BUT once that plasma is ejected from the weapon it would instantly melt the weapons barrel AND the field containing it would have to be interrupted incinerating everything in the local vacinity including the gun and its user.. (ok, guess I went into the mechanics a little bit)

Radaway 'flushes' away radiation? Again, not fully comprehending what it means to be 'irradiated'

Nuclear propulsion? Ahuh, and tell me, what is the propellant that we can see being forced out of the bottom of the gutsies 'engine'? Magically neverending nuclear gas?

I'm not saying its a bad thing thats these things are in the game, the bad thing is when we ignore these blatant defiances of physics and instead try and pick apart a suit of armor :S

Computers started out the sive of small buildings and now fit in the palm of your hand, most of the tech is 50's world of tomorrow stuff kicked up a few notches which makes most of it highly implausible if not impossible but given enough time money and effort certain technologies could be reproduced but yes there are some that are impossible.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:31 am

The jeans are actually spun from radspider silk which is stronger than steel causes the bullets to bounce off. Likewise the trench coat is made of deathclaw leather so it is also stronger than other materials. :disguise:
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:55 pm

It's a game...

Lol true dont get to riled up on a video game. It doesnt have to make sense...sometimes.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:47 pm

No, we wouldn't be able to create plasma weapons, even if we did have their nuclear battery, which we don't, obviously..
Not going to go into the mechanics of this, but, google fusion engines. There are many places/facilities that are experimenting with holding super hot gas (plasma) in place using magnetic fields to induce fusion.
These facilities are abo[censored]ely ENORMOUS and they aren't even perfected yet, having a handheld 'version' is kinda dumb, not only that BUT once that plasma is ejected from the weapon it would instantly melt the weapons barrel AND the field containing it would have to be interrupted incinerating everything in the local vacinity including the gun and its user.. (ok, guess I went into the mechanics a little bit)

You realize we have plasma cutters for material processing? those machines are no larger then heavy duty lathe, with rather larger outer shell to protect peoples around them.

And with enormous miniaturize power supply, it is the matter of bringing it up to spec.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:56 pm

You realize we have plasma cutters for material processing? those machines are no larger then heavy duty lathe, with rather larger outer shell to protect peoples around them.

And with enormous miniaturize power supply, it is the matter of bringing it up to spec.

Not to mention we (Americans) have already laser based military weapons. Just as of now, their only used to target vehicals and missiles, not personel
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:31 pm

You realize we have plasma cutters for material processing? those machines are no larger then heavy duty lathe, with rather larger outer shell to protect peoples around them.

And with enormous miniaturize power supply, it is the matter of bringing it up to spec.


Really? Well if you don't understand the different between an industrial plasma cutting and FO's plasma weaponry then I understand why my posts are kinda hard for you to understand..

Plasma cutter and plasma rifle/pistol have one thing in common only, the word Plasma..

http://www.motorator.com/videos/483 Watch the video and then play spot the difference against a FO plasma weapon... :rolleyes:

Why am I even trying to expl.. No you're right, silly me.. They're exactly the same, give it a few years and we'll have fantasmic plasma weaponry being carried by military forces around the world.. :banghead:
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:01 pm

You are the one that who doesn't understand With ridiculous energy supplied by fusion batteries the technology require is much lower because there is no need to have high efficiency.

And of course there is difference, after all we dont put magnetic accelerator on our plasma cutter.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:33 am

:banghead:

The amount of energy isn't the issue..
Seriously, you obviously have no understanding of how real-world plasma cutters work, why are you trying to debate this?
The only explanation I can think of is trolling?
Plasma cannot be used over long distances like you're thinking.
The closest thing in reality would be a bolt of lightning..

Now I'm sure you're going to say something like well with enough power etc etc blah.. But, thats not FO plasma weaponry is it?
FO plasma weaponry fires a projectile of contained plasma slowly through the air, only dispersing when it hits a target, which is impossible.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:56 pm

FO plasma weaponry fires a projectile of contained plasma slowly through the air, only dispersing when it hits a target, which is impossible.

Some can use emoticons :rolleyes:

Who said the plasma ball/bolt is contained while passing through the air? Even in game it disperse when it hit any physical object. Eitherway, it isn't impossible.
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:01 pm

I understand how Rangers rely on speed, but "IF" you look at it realistic, the armor should offer no more DT than Combat armor reinforced, do to them being about the same body coverage. I know its just a game, and somethings just cant be explained, like how can a raider in foot ball gear survive a .50 round to the head? Anyway, the only thing I can figure why it offers more DT is that the "trench coat" is. more than just a trench coat. Considering that in HH a Desert Ranger who wore the Desert Ranger Combat Armor. said- "Ambush in the narrows. 6 males killed. ++ Took a 10mm through thigh, steel jacket, missed femoral.++ Lucky. Used tourniquet to make sure no blood spattered on rocks back to cave. Have set traps all along entrance passage but if they find me it will be matter of time. Still, 24 confirmed kills in 10 days = at least 1/3rd of their combat force, not bad for an old man."

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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:34 am

It does deserve the dt given it's a riot vest and also if you think the dt is too high just mod and make it lower rather then make a thread
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:45 pm

Some can use emoticons :rolleyes:

Who said the plasma ball/bolt is contained while passing through the air? Even in game it disperse when it hit any physical object. Eitherway, it isn't impossible.


Really? you still don't understand?

*sigh*

If it wasn't contained, it wouldn't travel anywhere...
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Post » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:24 pm

Nice thread highjack
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