You boys wanna read what I said, or is the Power Helmet obstructing your vision?

You know what I would really enjoy?
If you were to quit being a backseat mod.
Its just a trend I notice that riles my feathers.

Im simply making an observation about history. I did not say anything political, I did not hint at anything political, if anything I voiced the opinion of diverse opinions.
So if you have a real problem please message me or contact a mod but if there is one thing I get sore of its a backseat mod.

I think you should calm down your horses and dont get riled up on something that shouldnt be a bother to you.

There has been plenty of WW2 references and its good enough.

This is about a silly a statement as the one i just answered in regards to the shooting range. You know as well as I do the Brotherhood has a strong focus on war fighting. Why don't you go back to the numbers argument?, it worked a lot better than making up stuff.


The Brotherhood doesn't train to fight battles!! I have no sources and all evidence points to the contrary, but it supports my argument really well, so it IS FACT!!

Is that how you wanted me to respond?

Actually that raises a good point. What exactly does the Legion do for training? We know that most Recruits start out as slaves and then go through some form of training and brainwashing (maybe a part of the slavery) but we don't know what that training entails. It could be lots of what we see at the Fort (people running up and down stairs and beating the tar out of dummies) or it could be live fire excersizes, squad tactics and one on one sparring.

Also, the idea that the BOS are inexperienced at war is a little inaccurate. They were in a full blown war with the NCR only a year or two before the Legion arives at the Mojave.

I hope you're kidding. Legion aren't the sissies in skirts most people make them out to be. They are born and raised killers. Being pushed to their limits every single day. Fighting amongst eachother in blood and even to the death to be promoted. They're loyal to their leader but also afraid of him to the point where they will not fail. They fight to become higher in ranks, they're the strongest they can be mentally and phisically. They are refined warriors capable of killing thousands of men. Not just the skirt wearing sissies everyone else makes them out to be.

Styles the bos and NCR use modern infantry tactics Cover and advance. They won t stack up 1000s of men and quick march them into more than modern weapons. CL puts its worst men first. The Roman Legions mixed ranks to keep fighting at the highest levels, and to keep spirits up. When the vet legionaires watch 2000 recruits get slaughtered in 45 mins what do you think will be going thfough their heads as they trip over bodies while being blasted wity gauss rifles and spool fed weapons? They are going to look down and say "This is going to be me" The are out in the wide open with no way to defend themselves. CL moral will be 0 when they onceagain realise a really bad attempt at the Roman Legions can not beat modern weapons and defense tactics or way future weapons.

They will die by the 1000s Just like real life has shown us. The Germans had no planes in the battle of Somme in ww1 when over 54 000 British fell in a 24 hour period quick marching in line formation into madhine guns.

My horses are at the drinking trough and Im in the saloon enjoying my expencsve but not radiated food partner
Through the course of this thread I have seen you suggest certain courses of action to posters while quoting them, in a manner that suggests youre reminding people of the rules.
I kindly ask you to leave that to those in office.
Now sit down and let me buy you a drink of your choice, stranger.

I will say this again....

Its Pre-Helios one!!!!!!!!!!

I see my only point ive made since page 5 is finally now spreading and sinking in.

Once again I'll just go back to what I said before. Hoarders not Heroes. They are trained to gather technology and worship it, not utilize it to win wars. The only source I need is the games. They are characterized as hoarders of technology, not knights of extreme power.

Legion "skirts" help the Legion

1) They allow the Legion greater freedom of movement

2) It is a desert, they come from a desert. Deserts are hot as hell during the day, let alone a post nuclear desert. It helps keep them from overheating. NCR's armour is leather from head to toe, which is why they complain all the time about the heat.

He said the only training Brotherhood troops do are at a shooting range. Obviously, just because it's all we see in game, that isn't true. So I simply turned the tables on him with his own logic, and said the only training Legion troops must do are running up and down a hill all day, as that's all we see them doing all day in game. See now?

Well if they horde it why do they wear it then? It cant certainly be for protection... <_<

I've had this point in mind for quite a while now. Especially when I was reading what's his face there's posts. Just never said it because it never really concerned the points I was trying to get across.

But yeah, the Legion are more then capable of taking down the Brotherhood at Helios one and beyond. I mean, the NCR did it, why can't the Legion who's supposed to be better fighters then the NCR anyhow?

@ carolina, Yeah i see now. Just hard to see sarcasm in a thread full of serious ignorant mother [censored]ers.

This has been once ridiculously argumentive night ( just on the forums to, not counting the Bs in real life)

No, we see them doing cardio, pushups, fighting in the arena and hitting dummies.

"and Brotherhood Paladins have the ability to erase an entire town from the map without a scratch"..

As I've said, if it isn't obvious to you that the Brotherhood is an extremely militant organization with a large central focus on fighting, then your just trying not to see what's so obviously there. That's really all there is to it. If your going to continue down this same road with this same argument, then I'm just gonna not bother responding anymore, as this thread is growing tiresome anyways..

Now cmon "And beyond!"I highly doubt that even if they managed to beat the brotherhood they would suffer severe casualties. None like you ever seen before.

For someone that can take out a town without a scatch they sure died easy when I shoot them with a sniper rifle :thumbsup:

For the 100th time NCR won against the BoS with very crappy weapons and armour and the Legion can do the same. It is that simple.

By beyond I simply meant kicking there ass at Helios one AND their little bunker. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, like I said before. If the NCR can do it, The Legion can also.

Post limit; start another if you all want.