On my computer it says this didn't post. (If I double posted moderators, come get and me )

I'm actually just going to say what I actually think instead of slobbering over gamesas's balls as most of you did (which isn't a bad thing as many of you are die-hard fans). Of course anyone here who's actually posting on the forums wants to play the beta. Deep down inside all or at least most of you know thats why you're here. How else could most of you explain why you've registered so recently? Hell, its why I'm here.

I have only played fallout 2 and 3, and by reviewing the rest I haven't played I found the old ones weren't half as exciting as fallout 3 was. Fallout 2 was great for its time but like all games back then it required patience and a shit load of constant and never-ending clicking.

This isn't a tactic of honesty for getting my grubby hands on the beta, for I know I would show my genitals to the pope just to play for a day.
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In truth I just wanted to know if anyone felt the same I did regarding Fallout 3 being the best. Where else can you make a flaming sword out of motorcycle parts?

Waiting for more news on the beta,
[Pixelnaut]

I'm not going to get ya, but here's the reason you didn't see your first post:

http://gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5312

pax,
-Chris

No offense Pixel, but having played Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics long before Fallout 3 ever came out, I can't see how anyone would enjoy the last one more than the first three. Fallout 3 simply wasn't "Fallout" enough for my liking. Fallout 3 was like any other bad sequel; it was nice to see the story move forward but it lost that "loving feeling". Could it be because Bethesda didn't have the pedigree to do the game right? I am thinking so.

The original trilogy has remained on my hard drive with every computer upgrade I have made over the last decade, Fallout 3 however, came and went like most of the trash games created in the last 5-7 years because it simply has no "heart". Again one has to wonder why?

What I have never understood is what took gamesas so bloody long in getting this game out in MMO form? It was clearly the way to go. I always sincerely believed that once Fallout Tactics came out, the MMO would be sure to follow along shortly, but instead what we got was Fallout 3 from some other guys. Its been nine years since Tactics released, I only hope it won't be another 5 years before we can kick arse in a wasteland that only the original Fallout team can create.

Have fun !

There was actually talk of a Fallout MMO at gamesas for about a decade now, Brian Fargo (the founder of gamesas) pitched the idea to Black Isle who rejected it due to the costs associated with one and the lack of funds available at gamesas at the time. Herve Caen (current CEO/owner of gamesas) wanted to do a Fallout MMO since at least 2002 IIRC but there was the bankruptcy issue, one of his pitches to investors was actually about the MMO.

Would be interesting to see what Fargo's idea of the MMO would have been. The public beta won't be until 2012 so I'd say the full release is at least 2-3 years off assuming the lawsuits don't complicate things further.

The public beta won't be until 2012 so I'd say the full release is at least 2-3 years off assuming the lawsuits don't complicate things further.

2012?? Um will that give us enough time? I mean how am I too prepare for the apocalypse that is to begin on 12/21/12 if I don't have a proper simulator to practice my survival tactics on? This vexes me, I am vexed.

Have fun !

PS: Give me a kiss to build a dream on, and my imagination will thrive upon that kiss

as long as you registered for the beta, i'm sure you'll be considered right alongside everyone else. it's a little early to be talking beta selection, though; it's still a year or more in the future as far as i know.

as for the belief that F3 is the best game bearing the Fallout name, i think you'll find yourself in the minority -- but certainly it's cool to hear a different point of view from time to time. fortunately, gamesas seems to be focusing a lot of design attention on what made the original series so fun to play... the originals are so revered partly for their depth of character and breadth of world, and this same depth and breadth should come out strongly in pv13.

Personally I feel like the first two were definitely the best and it's beyond the fact that they were just beautiful games. Around the time Fallout 3 came out I was just finishing up playing Oblivion and felt that since they are the same engine it took away that fallout style and I was just playing an apocalyptic Elder Scrolls game and not what a fallout should be.
While Fallout 3 was a good game in its own right it just didn't "feel" as nice as the other ones and was lacking that necessary something, so I played through did most of what I could find and ended up thinking, so where have I not been in Fallout 2 yet, because let's be honest, it's huge.

Fallout 3 as most have said was Oblivion in a fallout suit.

The Npcs weren't to my liking (no even backstory with most that you found in fallout 3 you simply brought them or asked them to join)

The RPG element wasn't there it was simply going throu the options you had in a conversation till you had asked everything then moved on.

It wasn't as "dark' as fallout 1-2, no pimping your wife, no pormstars, no gangsters, sure you could be a cannibal but apart from that very limited. (hard to sway from the main goal and get side tracked with your slaving business)

I hope Fallout Online is alot like fallout 1-2, just online where your able to make a character, participate in clans/groups doing jobs/having fun/having wars,

Time will tell if it's done properly, but i am very looking forward to be a beta tester for this.

I've played 2 and 3.

I love the Fallout world but have always been partial to fantasy.

Although I agree with John Profit on 3 lacking heart, I found it hard to enjoy 2 simply because I discovered it so late. I played it for the first time within the last year. The interface and play mechanics just didn't appeal to me. The story however was better, richer but then Bethesda's last two titles suffered the same problems.

When I saw the post today on Massively about this MMO I was happy. I would like to see it but as old as I'm getting, the next thoughts on my mind were design paradigms. Too many MMO's have come and gone and done it wrong.

The first thing I imagined was a wasteland....jam packed with people who just logged in on day one. This is bad and hardly a wasteland. The environment should be oppressing and desolate. You should be alone, isolated from mass quantities of people. Expansive areas to multiply that feeling - Not expansive areas made to support lots of people hanging out, crafting, etc....
/shrug
Just thoughts, I share them openly.

I'm really glad to see gamesas back. With how popular the post-apocalyptic theme is today the game should do well. Coincidentally, having just recently watched "The Road" and "The book of Eli", I was daydreaming at I watched, imagining these worlds as MMO's. If you've seen both movies then perhaps you would agree that "The Road" is more realistic and oppressive.

I'm excited to see what gamesas can come up with using the tools we have available today!

The original Fallout is by far still the best in my opinion, the sequels don't beat the original by the replayability and the atmosphere no matter how you look at it.

But Tactics wasn't too bad either, come to think of it.

So here is what i think about the fallout series.

So Fallout 1 was great Fallout 2 was good fallout tacticts was diffrent Fallout 3 was just marvlesse!!!!

I'm not here for the beta. Some of my favorite games have been made/produced by gamesas and I have a small investment, so I follow the boards.

Fallout and Fallout 2 were great games. I think I might still list Wasteland as my favorite game of all time.

I recently re-played fallout 2 and it's still holds up as a really good game, which really says something about the quality of a game 12 years old.

That said, I still have to say I like Fallout 3 as much or more then the originals. I like these games for the sense of adventure and exploration, and Fallout 3 had many more unique areas, unique content, side quests, etc. I also liked the mapping system which makes you find the unique areas, but then lets you fast travel to them once you've found them, even though I often enjoy walking back to the locations 'manually'. I don't know how you could replay Fallout 2 and say the game world is larger than Fallout 3.

It's hard to imagine an MMO which captures the desolation of the wasteland, and I think an online game which simply tries to mimic the single player fallout games would be a failure. That leaves room for V13 to be something completely unique in the series. I don't think a game needs to be identical to it's predecessors to be good.

My history with the Fallout series actually goes all the way back to Wasteland. I was thrilled when Fallout fleshed out that story (and then some). Fallout 2 was a LOT more ground to cover, and I confess I felt lost at times. I looked at Fallout Tactics, but the absence of the inherent storytelling that was found in F and F2 was missing, so I didn't bother with it.

Then came Fallout 3, and THAT was a whole 'nuther thing entirely. In many ways, it was more akin to Wasteland than to the two other Fallouts, because of the HEAVY focus on combat over storytelling. _However_, what Fallout 3 does have going for it are the several expansions. (Operation Anchorage, Point Lookout, Broken Steel, and The Pitt.) With all those mixed in, even with the heavy emphasis on combat, there is a LOT of storytelling to unravel -- which is what I most enjoy. So I get both my 1001 nights of stories PLUS a whole lot of adrenaline rush.

What I truly and deeply dislike about Fallout 3 is the incredible amount of booty weapons and armor. When added to 30+ levels of stat boosting, your character literally becomes godlike -- and where's the challenge in that?

One of the things I used to dislike about the transition from Fallout to Fallout 2 was that you could NOT carry over your Vault 13 character into the second game. Now that I've played all of the Fallout 3 games, I can more easily recognize just what a wise decision that was on gamesas's part. "Unless you know what is worth dying for, Life isn't worth living."

"Choose wisely."

I know I'm seriously late but I couldn't agree more. I've played Fallout 3 and Fallout 1. My conclusion, the Fallout series made by gamesas was great back then but no where near as fun as Fallout 3. And yes, I would never have signed up on this website if it wasn't for Fallout online. I hope they do their best on this game, I have high hopes for gamesas. Now as playing the beta, I would be willing to do some crazy things.. Crazy things.. "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and loose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

I want to try the beta I never tried a beta!!! Only thing is you lose all your progress But I can at least be part of the thing I love: Fallout!!! That is not the reason why I signed up to this forum. (maby I read to fast? Does it help to be on this forum for the beta?)

I love Fallout for the way of exploration and the way it makes it interesting to discover items, people or anything at all. You just did not know if something would had effect or not, like a rock could be important or totally useless. Growing stronger or just win a championship in New Reno....Its my all time game ever. The dialogue the survival feeling...

Fallout 3 had a empty world but I did not feel the survival the interest. It truly was for me a dissapointment, they used the world Fallout graphical, but they missed out on the right interaction. I still need to try the expansion packs.

I am on this forum to hope to get this feeling back what I had back in the Fallout Tactics day ( I did not really love the game , but I was part of a clan back then) and just chat about it and follow the updates.

I just had a flashback moment for Fallout 1 the ask the question option just wanted to share it out loud made me smile

I think all of the Fallout games are great, including FO3. I played FO1 and FO2 for weeks and weeks and then replayed them. I loved the endless variations of outcomes, depending upon your actions (but not the bugs that stopped you from progressing or completing quests in FO1). With a game so innovative and absorbing, the graphics wouldn't bother me today if I had to play it again (for that genre). I agree with some of the statements about F3 being different and that it didn't have the same 'soul' as the earlier games but hey, I was just happy to be playing an FPS Fallout that followed the same theme (if not quite the depth). I have wished for years that a FO MMO would be made. I hope that it will bring all the best parts of all of the series, when it finally makes it through to beta and beyond. Best of luck to all the development teams. I hope you get enough free rein to let your imaginations work overtime. Please include plenty of moral ambiguity and turpitude (lots of turpitude please but don't mention that to the censors). Oh and have fun trying to balance those traits and perks. Whatever the outcome, it's going to be a long hard wait.

Regards,
Sift.

Oh my goodness I have no idea what I can say that hasn't already been said.

I am an old-fashioned die-hard fan of Wasteland, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, FOT and I've played FO3 and its expansions.

I enjoyed the FO3 game, though as everyone else has said it lacks a great deal of the "gamesas Fallout Feeling" that its predecessors had. It was still appealing though in its own right and if Fallout Online uses the same engine and graphics I would be just as pleased as I would be if they used the old 2D platform. They just have to add the real fallout feeling to make it great. I have confidence gamesas will accomplish that in far greater detail than Bethesda.

I played FO1 and then replayed it a couple times. When FO2 came out it had game mechanic improvements over FO1 like completable quests and real NPC companion diversity and NPC gear/carry weights.
After FO2 I found it hard to go back and play FO1 but I replayed FO2 quite a few times.

My fears about Fallout Online are:
1) Is it going to be a "wasteland" with a billion people clambering about out of one hole in the ground and basically "settling" the land?
I hope not. It needs to have a real wasteland feel to it, which I can only imagine would be hard to do in an MMO setting. They will definitely need a great deal of vaults or starting locations to accomplish it.
That or make it diverse! Some people can emerge from a vault, some can wake up with amnesia in a random hospital flat in the world. And even possibly some can be born in the wasteland or mutated from pre-fallout.

2) It's got to have real pvp (I hope). And I don't mean that bogus WoW pvp where there is no real loss. This is a wasteland people! And especially not that nonsense that Fallen Earth tries to give to people with PVP zones... Bleagh!

3) This might be an issue early on but could easily be fixed with time and patches/additions. It's really going to have to encompass a very large area of land to get a true wasteland feel. Ofcourse there will be junktowns with large populous of players and npcs but the general wasteland needs to have a huge abandoned feel short of you being out there and any party you bring along, and perhaps a random passerby/party on occasion.

I can't wait... Don't let me down gamesas I have faith in you and your development crew!!
The pressure is on
-Kain

My 2 cents for this post is that as a lot of others I have played Fallout 1, 2, tactics and 3; but Fallout 3 is not the best except for the graphics. The game play in Fallout 1 & 2 was so open ended and there was a lot more places to see and freedom of movement in my opinion. Not to mention the different travel option (Car). You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided! Now hold still while I aim.

FO3 was good, FO2 was awesome. I did not like Tactics very much honestly, I was more of a FO2 fan, though I played through FO1 quite a few times.
Truthfully I do like the FO3 combat system better, but I have to agree that FO3 did not have that...feeling.

The world of FO1 and 2 was a twisted sick dream where slavers, pimps, prosttutes, gangs, druggies, murderers, and thieves were common as sand. I remember feeling in FO2 as if the entire world had gone dark and only the evil survived. It was not until I reached Redding that I felt a glimmer of light in the darkness. I spent half the game guarding caravans and running errands for the various mob factions in New Reno. Even a "good guy" character in FO2 needed to have some contact with the seedy underbelly of New Reno and The Den to complete the game. In FO3 you are immediately thrust into Megaton and not exposed to the darker corners of the game until much later. Instead of the faction based consequences I was exposed to the "moral system" that I find to be rather offensive truthfully. Morals are formed by the society in which you are raised, what is moral to a Japanese woman may be considered utterly sinful to a Muslim and visa versa. For the "moral system" to be effective it must target an audience that finds this particular moral system, defined by the creators of the game, to be aligned with their own. FO1 & 2 had something semi-similar, but it was based more on reputation and regional accomplishments, which made more sense.

I will say though, stealing the vertibird plans was probably the most annoying quest ever the first time around.