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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:04 am

given the nature of space, it seems the Ceph have adapted to living and travelling in space. especially since space is gravityless so bones do you no good.


the red Ceph are faceless goons. they're simply soldiers made by the Ceph Nanites, made to occupy the human forces as they readied their superweapon

space isn't "gravityless!" :-O

Wut?

Planets and stars have gravity which is responsible for the organisation of our solar system, but outside of orbitting a planet, and on something the size of a creature, yes; space is without gravity.

No it is NOT without gravity. Every thing that has a mass has gravity and gravity does not just stop it has infinitive range.
I can't believe that you don't know anything about gravity. It's one of 4 most important forces in the Universe
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:48 pm

given the nature of space, it seems the Ceph have adapted to living and travelling in space. especially since space is gravityless so bones do you no good.


the red Ceph are faceless goons. they're simply soldiers made by the Ceph Nanites, made to occupy the human forces as they readied their superweapon

space isn't "gravityless!" :-O

Wut?

Planets and stars have gravity which is responsible for the organisation of our solar system, but outside of orbitting a planet, and on something the size of a creature, yes; space is without gravity.

Wut, indeed. The poster above beat me to it, but it's true. Space is not without gravity. Gravity is everywhere. Anything with mass has gravity; if the mass is infinitesimal, so too is the gravity.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:43 pm

I like this discussion. Hopefully it figures out what to do with the contradictory aliens.

Two possibilities (both drawing from Legion as well as the games):

1). The aliens involved in the two incidents may not, in fact, be the same species. They could be unrelated, a coalition, or even enemies. There is no inherent reason to say that they are the same species, and in-game characters are working with character-limited knowledge.Gould mentions this possibility in his apartment in the book. In-game characters still don't know their head from their @$$ in the game with regard to the "Ceph." It wouldn't be hard to believe in some convergant cephalopod evolution, after all (it seems a fairly intuitive design, unlike our cobbled together bipedal structure).

2). We may not have even seen the Ceph yet. Here's how I'm taking this. The ship that crashed at Lingshan may have been empty save for automata. The organisms inside it having died long ago. If we assume Hargreave is right about where they evolved (he's one of the few characters in the game that may have grasp of the aliens; I actually think he does), then two hundred below is not a feasible initial environment. *Where* would we find liquid water at that temperature that would reasonably support life? The organisms onboard the ship in C1, therefore, could not have been aquatic and thus not what Hargreave referred to.

Space travel may not be short. It may take centuries or millennia, depending on how the fiction defines it. There is a classic sci-fi book "Rendezvous with Rama" in which a large ship enters our system to slingshot around the sun. On board there are automatons that were tasked with rebuilding everything. Suppose, along a similar line, the blues are actually bioengineered automata spawned when the ship activated and were intended to build the Ceph. They then locate a threat and try to deal with it with limited resources. If they were initially designed to operate in space, it's a lot cheaper to keep it cold, not simulate gravity, and not have organisms in stasis or feed them. Thus, they need antigrav on a planet and have a limited cold weapon to deal with hostiles. Said weapon is also a global level WMD. In the book it states that it significantly speeds up global warming (this is stated matter of factly in the book; global warming went nuts after Lingshan). The melting ice caps raise water levels and increase the environmental edge of an invading species while destabilizing the established civilizations.

Now what caused them to wake up globally: it was *not* Lingshan itself. Hargreave, according to Gould, found something with a radio telescope and contacted it. Details outside of that are nonexistant (I'm only half-way through the book according to my Kindle). Lingshan's activation could have confirmed the "contact" was not an anomaly to the Ceph.

The Ceph in their turn activate a localized cell (one of several noted in the game). Now, if what I've speculated about biological automata is correct (this would explain why blues never talk with one another), then this implies an advanced society stratified into bioengineered caste systems. There may, in fact, be many, specialized Ceph. Whatever was in the cell wouldn't have been very militarized (we wouldn't have even been a credible threat two million years ago), so they unleash the spore via spires. This experiments with a parasite that quickly becomes innert, a sort of fungus that never develops fruiting bodies to reproduce (thus the spore is not contagious). It interferes with primate minds, especially humans and chimps, and draws them toward a centralized location by inducing a pleasurable religious experience. Most of the infected die happy and "enlightened" as a result. This tests our psychology and anatomy from willing volunteers with almost no risk to the Ceph. The bioweapon doesn't impair their reasoning faculties, after all, so they all move willingly toward the most Ceph-infested zones. The ticks then inject an acid, svck out the dissolved matter, and remove it for anolysis.

The elites and hunters we find (excuse me, the Ceph) in game and fight are actually bioengineered soldiers designed to test our own methods of fighting. This is why they have such poor armor, primitive weaponry (roughly on par with ours), and are forced into a humanoid structure. These ad hoc Ceph are designed to get an insider's view of the realities of hominid fighting while developing techniques agianst it. This data will be forwarded to whatever Hargreave contacted, which will forward it to other centers which will conduct similar experiments in other areas (the cells highlighted at the end of the game).

Incidentally, this also explains why we aren't steamrolled (a non sequitur noted as such numerous times in the book). It also exposes humanity to Ceph technology to reverse engineer so that when the Ceph really bring it, we may actually be able to fight back and, as always, be victorious over the more advanced alien invaders (they may regard us as little more than apes and underestimate how well we can do that).

I doubt Crytek is going to do anything like that; it's a little too complicated for their method of story-telling, but I it seems to be hinted at by the game details to me.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:03 pm

Whoops, too late. Above post pretty much says it.

There is a book called Crysis Legion that was written by Peter Watts, one of the writers consulted for C2's plot and art direction. It's a great read, pretty funny at times and gives a nice glimpse into Alcatraz's head. Since the book directly follows the C2 story and was written by a guy who was at least affiliated with the Crytek team, it could be considered canon. Regardless however, the book does give a few interesting theories on some of the mysteries presented in the game. For example:

1. Alcatraz doesn't talk because his vocal cords get shot out by the Ceph gunship at the beginning when he escapes the sinking sub.

2. The Ceph we see in NY are "earth-natives" - asleep for 2 million years, and then woken up to reclaim what they see is their planet.

3. The reason we are even able to hurt, much less kill the Ceph despite them being 2 million years ahead of us, is because the aliens we fight in NY are basically ill-equipped "civilian" Ceph that retrofitted their technology to adapt to earth's current climate. The fact that they're more advanced than humans is evident in the fact that even though they are basically Ceph armed with their equivalent of dirty overalls and pitchforks, they are still kicking our asses.

4. Ceph are not beyond emotion. They wear battlesuits that purposely leave their squishy tender parts vulnerable as a demoralizing and fear-inducing move. I think the book likens them to Scottish (?) woad raiders, who painted their bodies blue and went into battle almost naked to look absolutely terrifying to their enemies.

If you read that nanosuit 2.0 brochure thing that popped up like a year before C2's release, showing all the advanced suit functions and stuff, the book also goes into very heavy detail on how exactly everything works.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:01 pm

Just a point, Raptor team ARE NOT the only ones in the Nanosuit program, Warhead confirms this...i still love the name "Cupcake" for a super soldier xD

And yes, any mass in space produces its own gravitational field, it all depends on how massive (hoenstly could not think of a better a way to word that...lame) that object is.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:31 pm

space isn't "gravityless!" :-O

Wut?

Planets and stars have gravity which is responsible for the organisation of our solar system, but outside of orbitting a planet, and on something the size of a creature, yes; space is without gravity.

No it is NOT without gravity. Every thing that has a mass has gravity and gravity does not just stop it has infinitive range.
I can't believe that you don't know anything about gravity. It's one of 4 most important forces in the Universe
Tbh you're just being pedantic. If you were floating around in space you would be in an anti-gravity environment. Yes, all mass has gravity, but for the most part it is insufficient to act upon anything else.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:06 pm

Wut?

Planets and stars have gravity which is responsible for the organisation of our solar system, but outside of orbitting a planet, and on something the size of a creature, yes; space is without gravity.

No it is NOT without gravity. Every thing that has a mass has gravity and gravity does not just stop it has infinitive range.
I can't believe that you don't know anything about gravity. It's one of 4 most important forces in the Universe
Tbh you're just being pedantic. If you were floating around in space you would be in an anti-gravity environment. Yes, all mass has gravity, but for the most part it is insufficient to act upon anything else.

There is no "floating around in space," there is only a very slow fall back to whatever mass, planetary or otherwise, the object in question happens to be orbiting. If you're talking about an astronaut, the illusion of floating comes from the fact that the gravitational pull is extremely weak, and anything else accompanying the astronaut (his ship, for example) is also in an extremely slow fall back to Earth, being pulled down back down by... (wait for it)... gravity!
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:02 am

There is no "floating around in space," there is only a very slow fall back to whatever mass, planetary or otherwise, the object in question happens to be orbiting. If you're talking about an astronaut, the illusion of floating comes from the fact that the gravitational pull is extremely weak, and anything else accompanying the astronaut (his ship, for example) is also in an extremely slow fall back to Earth, being pulled down back down by... (wait for it)... gravity!
so how would you explain space stations and satelites in orbit? Why have they not fallen back to earth? And why do all planets not fall into the sun?
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:31 am

There is no "floating around in space," there is only a very slow fall back to whatever mass, planetary or otherwise, the object in question happens to be orbiting. If you're talking about an astronaut, the illusion of floating comes from the fact that the gravitational pull is extremely weak, and anything else accompanying the astronaut (his ship, for example) is also in an extremely slow fall back to Earth, being pulled down back down by... (wait for it)... gravity!
so how would you explain space stations and satelites in orbit? Why have they not fallen back to earth? And why do all planets not fall into the sun?

Space Stations have rocket boosters that periodically push them back into their trajectory. Without the boost, they would eventually fall back to Earth. There is also the pull of Centrifugal force, which applies to planets, space stations, and anything in an orbit, essentially keeping these masses from colliding.

Another way to describe this: "The centrefugal force that pulls the moon away from the Earth is sufficient to nullify the centrepetal force of the Earth's attraction."

Obviously this is an extremely complicated subject and the above is just a very basic answer to your question. If you're really interested, take some Astronomy courses in College. ;-)
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:47 pm

There is no "floating around in space," there is only a very slow fall back to whatever mass, planetary or otherwise, the object in question happens to be orbiting. If you're talking about an astronaut, the illusion of floating comes from the fact that the gravitational pull is extremely weak, and anything else accompanying the astronaut (his ship, for example) is also in an extremely slow fall back to Earth, being pulled down back down by... (wait for it)... gravity!
so how would you explain space stations and satelites in orbit? Why have they not fallen back to earth? And why do all planets not fall into the sun?

Space Stations have rocket boosters that periodically push them back into their trajectory. Without the boost, they would eventually fall back to Earth. There is also the pull of Centrifugal force, which applies to planets, space stations, and anything in an orbit, essentially keeping these masses from colliding.

Another way to describe this: "The centrefugal force that pulls the moon away from the Earth is sufficient to nullify the centrepetal force of the Earth's attraction."

Obviously this is an extremely complicated subject and the above is just a very basic answer to your question. If you're really interested, take some Astronomy courses in College. ;-)
Lol, I think I'll stick with law for now.. but fair enough, I'll obviously have to look this stuff up in some detail, you know, in case you've made any mistakes ;)
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:43 pm

^ be my guest. there's a wealth of information to be had just by doing a little googling.

/thread hijack
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:15 am

Great Thread, this is basically what I think about the Ceph and the most likely and awesome sounding (for future games) plotline.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:54 am

I'd love to hear some feedback on my thoughts and takes on the storyline bridging. :D
Btw I hate stealing the spotlight :(
So share the beam to everyone. :D
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:36 pm

what about the setences from prophet at the end: not just lingshan, the ceph have build EVERYWHERE, you see a red dot at new york, and 1 at lingshan and 2 others close to that. Sounds to me that the ceph evolved here or traveled here then colonized this world(sending signal to home planet in crysis 1, 4million lightyears away) The ceph were hibernating, in Core in crysis 1 you see ceph waking other ceph out of stasis tubes. So its likely the ceph colonized this world, then due to some natural disaster, maybe dinosaur killing metorite, went into hibernate, now hargreave woke em up and theyre pissed and the lingshan ship triggered other ships to wake up and send a disstress to their home planet. during this stasis its likely they evolved differently
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm

Geo-stationary orbits are the only ones with relatively little energy spent in keeping themselves in orbit (i think...wewt for midnight physics discussions). Also take account for atmospheric friction in low earth orbits for Spacecraft, slowing the object down and pulling it to earth.

Also just to bring this trainwreck BACK on track, why would Nomad+Psycho+other Nanosuit teams be infected, since by the story of C2 the Nanosuit was based on Ceph technology in the first place, so why can't the Nanosuit 1 offer resistance, if not assimilation as seen in the Nanosuit 2?
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:01 pm

The Nano-suit 2 was developed specifically for ********* as revealed during *** *** *** and also when Alcatraz finally ************ Hargreave Think Star Trek in this sense. The episode where Kirk and his former girlfriend switched bodies.
Except no smart Vulcan saved the day for Alcatraz. Instead it was ****

Btw I tried to keep this spoiler free. :D
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