Hello Guys,

Well since I stated playing PC games back in 1995, I have been an avid gamer. I have been in several clans/guilds, even made a name amongst some communities as the guy who gets stuff done. I am afraid that my pc gaming career is now over due to this.

COD 4 was my last great memory of pc gaming, then came MW2, HACKS included lol. Very first day every hacker known, started writing and coding there works of art, every game since then has strongly followed suit. I have loved pc gaming due to its ever evolutionary path, Modding, ect.. However, now it is just too much, I do not hack, and never will. So I am slaughtered in every game I play, most recently Crysis 2. I still play the first crysis due to the community at the mod forums, who have done amazing work with the single player, however much like Crysis 2, there are way to many individuals who do not want to play the multiplayer like they should.

I had an absolute blast with the demo of crysis 2, K/D in the demo was 2.1. K/D in the actual game is 1.01 and I have had to bust my butt just to get that. I am not a sore loser, I do not mind losing a fair game, but I can hardly call 78% of the games I have played fair.

I bought Crysis 2 for the PC to give it one more go, and obviously nothing has changed, most of the pc gaming community are screwed in the head... PC gaming is not dieing due to piracy (although it does play its role), it is dieing because a lot of it's community has forgotten the very roots of which our platform was built for.

I am tired of the Piracy, the Hacking, the cheaters, the whiners, the pathetic insults that call themselves pc gamers. I hate to say this but, I think the console community has just earned themselves another player, and I hate the controller.

Thank You all, and hope you understand,

P.S. EA/crytek, this has nothing to do with the game itself, it is fantastic, and I am loving the single player. I will be buying a copy for the 360, I hate the console but I will get used to it in time.

BTW This does not include the whole pc community, I have met some fantastic gamers and good ppl over the years. If you are one of them, you know who you are, I solute you and was proud to game with you. Even if I haven't met you, and you are a legit pc gamer, I solute you

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A true pc gamer would never choose to switch over to console! NT NT NT

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This is my statement and I stand by it, your words speak the truth, and I will still play pc games, just not the multiplayer. I will also continue to build pc's, it is it's own addiction. I have been fighting the losing battle for almost 3 years of trying to turn the community around, and it has drained every ounce of tolerance I had left.

So.. you're blaming the PC community for this when those people that abuse the system and actively cheat, steal, and what-have-you are the ones that ruined your experience? I'm sorry, but even I hate that kind of behavior. Even now though, you kind of have to consider Crytek's involvement here. They have no security on the client outside of online activation and multiplayer keys (which have been broken and are fooled easily). There's no anti-cheat inherent and what you see is really just a result of poor planning and implementation on Crytek's side.

Don't blame the PC community for a company that has DEVELOPED for the PC exclusively in the past to suddenly forget everything they needed to know regarding the bad fringes.

Just so you know, the consoles are really not that far away from getting slammed too. The PS3 is still compromised, with cheaters and pirates playing in many online games as we speak, while cheats and pirates on the 360 are still existent as well (though not to the degree on either platform). To assume one platform over another has no problems with their community (boy does Xbox Live get horror stories about it's community in terms of behavior), is the same as claiming Macintosh computers can't have viral infections and malware.

So.. you're blaming the PC community for this when those people that abuse the system and actively cheat, steal, and what-have-you are the ones that ruined your experience? I'm sorry, but even I hate that kind of behavior. Even now though, you kind of have to consider Crytek's involvement here. They have no security on the client outside of online activation and multiplayer keys (which have been broken and are fooled easily). There's no anti-cheat inherent and what you see is really just a result of poor planning and implementation on Crytek's side.

Don't blame the PC community for a company that has DEVELOPED for the PC exclusively in the past to suddenly forget everything they needed to know regarding the bad fringes.

Just so you know, the consoles are really not that far away from getting slammed too. The PS3 is still compromised, with cheaters and pirates playing in many online games as we speak, while cheats and pirates on the 360 are still existent as well (though not to the degree on either platform). To assume one platform over another has no problems with their community (boy does Xbox Live get horror stories about it's community in terms of behavior), is the same as claiming Macintosh computers can't have viral infections and malware.

Read what I wrote at the bottom of the first post.

Well constructed post, and it is true however, in response to the crytek article of the post, if a door is left open... do you have to walk through it? Personally, there really shouldn't have to be anti cheat, because our community should know better (LOL, me living in the land of perfect). I know that is an unrealistic statement, however crytek should be able to trust their community not to exploit their work, people built this game for us, just to watch others ruin the experience.

Yes, the consoles are going to suffer the same fate, however I have had more enjoyment for instance with MW2, Black Ops, and other games, that are on PC and consoles with my 360, but I am tired of buying 2 copies all the time, best off just buying 1. With that said, the consoles haven't givin in to the amount of hackers and pirates as the pc has yet, therefore I will enjoy it while it lasts.

Well constructed post, and it is true however, in response to the crytek article of the post, if a door is left open... do you have to walk through it? Personally, there really shouldn't have to be anti cheat, because our community should know better (LOL, me living in the land of perfect). I know that is an unrealistic statement, however crytek should be able to trust their community not to exploit their work, people built this game for us, just to watch others ruin the experience.

Yes, the consoles are going to suffer the same fate, however I have had more enjoyment for instance with MW2, Black Ops, and other games, that are on PC and consoles with my 360, but I am tired of buying 2 copies all the time, best off just buying 1. With that said, the consoles haven't givin in to the amount of hackers and pirates as the pc has yet, therefore I will enjoy it while it lasts.

Problem is, the open nature of the platform invites people that don't have an interest in playing the game (in the strictest sense of playing against a challenge) can have an impact on people that are. The PC community in a well-planned out anti-cheat system (Like BFBC2 after the initial Punkbuster issuers were sorted) can make for a really rewarding experience.

The internet is a world environment, not a small little neighborhood where everyone knows each other's names. Security is a massive sub-section of the industry beyond just video games, and for good reason. Yes, in a perfect world we wouldn't have to have anti-cheats in place, but that's just not reasonable to expect. Hell, I remember fighting people that would cheat in the original Quake [wikipedia.org]. With easier methods of cheating, and more robust networks put together by unscrupulous people such as HelioS, cheating in itself has gotten to the point where there's a monetary incentive.

I am (like you) tired of buying two copies of games. I am very tired of buying sub-HD 360 versions of these games as well. As far as Crysis 2 goes though, it simply comes down to Crytek having dropped the ball after THREE releases.

Problem is, the open nature of the platform invites people that don't have an interest in playing the game (in the strictest sense of playing against a challenge) can have an impact on people that are. The PC community in a well-planned out anti-cheat system (Like BFBC2 after the initial Punkbuster issuers were sorted) can make for a really rewarding experience.

The internet is a world environment, not a small little neighborhood where everyone knows each other's names. Security is a massive sub-section of the industry beyond just video games, and for good reason. Yes, in a perfect world we wouldn't have to have anti-cheats in place, but that's just not reasonable to expect. Hell, I remember fighting people that would cheat in the original Quake [wikipedia.org]. With easier methods of cheating, and more robust networks put together by unscrupulous people such as HelioS, cheating in itself has gotten to the point where there's a monetary incentive.

I am (like you) tired of buying two copies of games. I am very tired of buying sub-HD 360 versions of these games as well. As far as Crysis 2 goes though, it simply comes down to Crytek having dropped the ball after THREE releases.

Well said, you slightly made me feel better knowing that there are still good people here, and maybe one day Crysis 2 maybe worth playing again, just at the moment I am filled with to much grief lol.

Well if you look at the industry PC gaming is clearly dying. It wont be long before there will no money being made for PC gaming DEVS. the console version of EVERY multiplat always sells better. The industry chooses what the games go on what, not the gamer. You will just have to face reality. there is more money to be made in console gaming. remember the EPIC games, they were the KING of the PC gaming world for several years. Now with the exception of bullet storm they only make console exclusives. DEVS and publishers will always follow the money just like any other company, and there is little money to be made in the PC world.

I am not saying i am switching to console gaming as i LOVE building and playing with my pc. Also i have no idea whether or not pc gaming will die in my generation.

PC gaming in it's original form may be changing to more social based games. (MMORPGs, Facebook and similar types of games.)

So, you say you're an avid PC gamer, but you make no mention of the awesomeness of games like ARMA, or the lush fields of the indie gaming scene that can only exist on PC (Minecraft, Sleep is Death, many more)

You let your experience with ONE game determine that PC gaming is dead? Give me a break. This is the platform that CREATES. We aren't going anywhere. The future is HERE, on your computer. **** Facebook games and everything else: This Platform makes the Money, and The Future.

If you like the Art and Craft of Videogames, PC is still where everything interesting happens.

Oh, and Crysis 2 is totally fine. I wasn't expecting the second coming of Jeebus. I WAS hoping to pick up a rat and kill somebody with it, but a trashbag will do just fine.

I hear ya, but I cannot stand the controller. I have a ps3 and 360 right next to my pc and I hardly ever use them.

If mouse support was more available on consoles then I would play on them more often but I won't leave pc gaming because I love upgrading and the overall buzz from gaming on pc.

I can't stand the attitude of some pc gamers. Though I can understand the disappointments, the attitude and language, trolling and disrespect towards other gamers is appalling.

Gaming is where people go to have fun and put aside the stresses of life but some gamers bring their stress online and here in forums like these.

I will not never give up pc gaming until there is absolutely no choice. That time hasn't come just yet.

So, you say you're an avid PC gamer, but you make no mention of the awesomeness of games like ARMA, or the lush fields of the indie gaming scene that can only exist on PC (Minecraft, Sleep is Death, many more)

You let your experience with ONE game determine that PC gaming is dead? Give me a break. This is the platform that CREATES. We aren't going anywhere. The future is HERE, on your computer. **** Facebook games and everything else: This Platform makes the Money, and The Future.

If you like the Art and Craft of Videogames, PC is still where everything interesting happens.

Oh, and Crysis 2 is totally fine. I wasn't expecting the second coming of Jeebus. I WAS hoping to pick up a rat and kill somebody with it, but a trashbag will do just fine.

The reason I didn't quote ARMA, or many others I have played, is that they do not belong in the discussion. Fantastic games, and I still play them from time to time. This is more about the here and now games, the ones that will be actively played due to popularity. I like your attitude Manscape, however I can say that, crysis 2 is everything but totally fine as far as the MP is concerned.


I hear ya, but I cannot stand the controller. I have a ps3 and 360 right next to my pc and I hardly ever use them.

If mouse support was more available on consoles then I would play on them more often but I won't leave pc gaming because I love upgrading and the overall buzz from gaming on pc.

I can't stand the attitude of some pc gamers. Though I can understand the disappointments, the attitude and language, trolling and disrespect towards other gamers is appalling.

Gaming is where people go to have fun and put aside the stresses of life but some gamers bring their stress online and here in forums like these.

I will not never give up pc gaming until there is absolutely no choice. That time hasn't come just yet.

Thanks for your comment, and glad to hear that you haven't let it all get to you yet. Keep it up and you may succeed where I believe I have failed. If you are still enjoying the games you play, then frag away , and take a few for me hehe. I am just having a hard time enjoying myself with this game lol.

The sad thing is that I am still trying to find something I like about the MP, so therefore I am still playing it lol.

Well if you look at the industry PC gaming is clearly dying. It wont be long before there will no money being made for PC gaming DEVS. the console version of EVERY multiplat always sells better. The industry chooses what the games go on what, not the gamer. You will just have to face reality. there is more money to be made in console gaming. remember the EPIC games, they were the KING of the PC gaming world for several years. Now with the exception of bullet storm they only make console exclusives. DEVS and publishers will always follow the money just like any other company, and there is little money to be made in the PC world.

I am not saying i am switching to console gaming as i LOVE building and playing with my pc. Also i have no idea whether or not pc gaming will die in my generation.

....Epic stopped being king LONG before they went console. In the days of DOS they had a TON of franchises under their belt, but all that changed with one name... Unreal. Literally, I remember going to patch the game (and in it's time, Unreal 1 was amazing) only to see they had discontinued everything previous and now had a 3rd party company licensed to sell them without any tech support at all!

After Unreal, came Unreal Tournament, and it started the whole online-only gaming craze that FPSs hit. I never liked that (the attitude the OP talked about was already all over the net, and I had no interest in it), but other did, and again it sold well... so they re-branded it and made 2003 and 2004. 2003 sold rather well, but by the next year, they found 04 faultering, both from people playing similar games on the platform AND from people who just didn't feel the need to move on from 03. But of course, when Epic saw this, they decided it wasn't their fault they just did what Activision would do with Guitar Hero in the future.... it was gamer's faults... and after a weak attempt to bring bat One Must Fall, they went silent till Gears of War.

That game was a 360 exclusive for far too long. PC games really do live forever, but they need to be on a medium that also does in order to.. digitial... and for the longest time, MS would not let them do that. Since the game was already on 360 for so long, the disc sales tanked... but of course Epic's conclusion was that piracy killed it, not people looking for the newest thing at Gamestop when Gears of War clearly wasn't it anymore. (And digital sales can be slow, but since there is no shelf, they do not ever completely stop)

And U3.... look, Epic KILLED Unreal Tournament basically by the time they were at 04 on the PC. By this point, Unreal anything didn't stand out anymore... at all.. in PC games. I literally cringed when I saw the GT review, which went as far as to say the game was amazing an hectic on consoles, yet just status quoe on PC. THAT was the death knoll right there. But add that to a BUGGY AS HELL release and of COURSE their game wasn't going to sell!

So no... Epic did not leave because PC games dont sell.. they left because they weren't really creating anymore... just rehashing a game here and there to supplement their engine sales.... and PC gamers had enough games like their usual fair that they just stopped caring.

Just look at the comments here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRvX4A-T_8

Just look at the comments here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRvX4A-T_8

I can't believe so many are thanking the creator of the hack. I'm shocked...

So sad that people have to cheat

Crysis 2 is terrible.

Honestly, if you are a pc gamer, you shouldn't have bought this, you shouldn't have bought Dragon Age 2.
You should have bought SHOGUN 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Technically, this game is way, way more impressive than Crysis 2 and will probably use DX11 to better effect. The game itself is also, let's be honest, just, better. CA is a proper pc dev who, if you love pc gaming, you should be supporting over this or Dragon Age 2: Mass Effect edition.

> Should have bought Dragon 2
LOL no

Anyways leaving PC because of the community is a poor excuse. Just find a server that has an admin who bans cheaters but at the saem time doesn't kick you for being too good, etc.

Go out and buy Shogun 2 kids. Support a proper pc game with proper pc dev's.

> Should have bought Dragon 2
LOL no

Anyways leaving PC because of the community is a poor excuse. Just find a server that has an admin who bans cheaters but at the same time doesn't kick you for being too good, etc.

good advise, yea... I had to sleep on it, after gathering my thoughts, I have been trying to find a good server to be on.

I still think it would be great though, if crytek would introduce an external Anti Cheat program that you have to login to before it will let you play online, if you don't the game will kick you, however we all know that, that would probably be buggy as hell and easy to get around.

Thanks guys for the reply's, I guess I just really needed to hear what some of the community thought on this. As stated before, Rolan, I apologize to any legit gamer offended by this topic, it doesn't include you as much as them. The reason I said community is because it has been the same in every game I have played on the pc, bad choice in words, but hopefully it got the point across.

Go out and buy Shogun 2 kids. Support a proper pc game with proper pc dev's.

May have to go and do that!

Your frustration is understandable man; nobody appreciates the cheaters in any game. This game is too fun for me to really get upset over it though. I've run into a few hackers and they eventually got kicked. I didn't even bother to change servers with any run ins I had with them.

I'm a PC and console gamer. With the preference to PC game. I too know what you are talking about. But I don't think PC gaming is dying. It's been on the rise actually. And i still know about recent memories of awesome PC games like Starcraft 2, Metro 2033 and etc. And hey, even Crysis 2. We were never screwed with this game, it's just Crytek couldn't finish (which is why we have patches and updates).

The PC community has changed, but I think that when the numbers were rising, those numbers included younger PC gamers. And thus, you have the spoiled brats and piece of **** players who are part of this community (example: "I HATE CRYTEK DERP!! GRAFIX svckXS!! CONSOLE PORT!$13111!!!!31231one!!"). It pisses me off.

But the console community is probably worse. xbox 360=whiny little kids online crying constantly or teenagers who think they are just too awesome for everyone. PS3=more mature than 360's community, but still the same for the most part.

If anything, I would say consoles, in terms of their hardcoe gaming, are on a clock and are the ones dying. Look at the wii, PS Move, and Kinect. People **** love those motion control things and the sales are SKYROCKETING for these gimmicks. Not a lot of people like hard games too. Mainly easy. So what's going to happen? Well, expect a lot more casual games on consoles (it's already starting to show, with games like Killzone 3 being EASIER, or GoW 3 being very EASY, or SF4 being EASIER to play in it's combat system. Call of Duty is casual now!). That's why I still game on PC. It's a better experience, the community is still better even though it wasn't the awesomeness it once was, the hardcoe gaming on it is still well alive, and hey....you get what you pay for!

This upcoming E3 is going to have Homeworld 3 and HL2 Ep. 3.