I think it needs one so i've created this for feedback thread for the "Retaliation DLC" so Crytek know where to look, rather than trawling through threads & possibly miss it. (no offence)

My concerns
Im just going to rip what I & another person opinion was on the game mode rotation


"From what I understand game modes are choosen by the players so finding other team based modes like CTR will be difficult, whilst games like Assaulat & Extraction will become obsolete on this DLC with CS being picked most. I really don't understand why they would add DLC this way. Why would anyone who prefers to play all modes buy this DLC? They better change it for the simple reason that its a small community & not every person likes CS especially if they want to sell it."

I think so for the objective games. I think making crash site it's own and then putting extraction and capture the relay on a combined one would work better.

"For me that would be ideal, but for people who dont play Assaualt or Extraction they should add a CS & CTR then merge Assaualt & Extraction.

CryAdam. Can you find out if they can change it because this is seriously putting me off. CTR is my best of all time as i'm sure it is for others. I was buzzin when I seen old school CTF. I spend most of my time on it.

Honestly Crytek I think something like this should of been up for discussion.

This is one of the perks I was on about when US get DLC & games first. I would of been really annoyed if I had bought that not knowing what you had done with the game mode rotation. I also think you should of communicated that."

Does anyone else think they made a big mistake implementing the DLC this way?

Yes split up CS and CTR from Assault. I played yesterday with my squad and we were all pissed. We wanted to play CS mainly and not have to rotate other game modes in.

Also, try and integrate the NEW maps with the Original maps so we do not have to leave the "Retaliation" area to play the Original maps.

Those are the only 2 gripes we had last night. Otherwise the maps are sweet (played all 4 several times) although some quite large it feels like you need a vehicle to get around. Finding a match was not terrible, but it still would rotate lobbies/kick people out. Once in the match, the lag etc was rather minimal for most of our matches.

Yes split up CS and CTR from Assault. I played yesterday with my squad and we were all pissed. We wanted to play CS mainly and not have to rotate other game modes in.

Also, try and integrate the NEW maps with the Original maps so we do not have to leave the "Retaliation" area to play the Original maps.

Those are the only 2 gripes we had last night. Otherwise the maps are sweet (played all 4 several times) although some quite large it feels like you need a vehicle to get around. Finding a match was not terrible, but it still would rotate lobbies/kick people out. Once in the match, the lag etc was rather minimal for most of our matches.

How does it work exactly? Do you get a choice of 2 games modes that randomly change like the maps? I dont want to be stuck with CS all the time. If it is the case then then its not as bad as I thought. A player like me would benefit seeing as I enjoy the objective games although i'm not keen on CS. I play CTR a lot I dont mind playing a mixture of them modes if their rotated properly. I dont want to be stuck on CS all the time, but they still need to change it.

Ageed

I've only heard goods things about the maps, but the only issue i'm bothered about is the way they've added the DLC. Hope they change it & soon.

Example:
Shipyard- CS vs Compound- Assault
Transit- CS vs Park ave- CTR

Apparently the maps are with the old maps as well, however I ahve not come across them yet.

Example:
Shipyard- CS vs Compound- Assault
Transit- CS vs Park ave- CTR

Apparently the maps are with the old maps as well, however I ahve not come across them yet.

Sorry but at what percentage do you see each game mode? If I play a game of CS what are the chances of the new lobby having CS again?

And thanks for the feedback

I would say 50% unless there is no CS option and its only Assualt vs CTR which I did not see in my brief experience last night.

So I went ahead and just bought the DLC. Well, last night I did. I played for a while and it was quite good. Not as many problems getting into games as usual, lots of people around. I do really like the Retaliation Onslaught Playlist, since it combines CTR, CS and Xtrac (I played for quite a while and Assault never came up) and people can just vote for the Map and play type (I just wish not everybody would always want to play Crash Site...). I was playing with people from around Europe, which, being in Germany, meant mostly good connections.

I took a break, went on a little later, and got into several games with mostly Americans, and the connections suffered accordingly. It was by no means terrible, but in a shootout my enemies just had that half second more to make a deadly difference.
It was terrible, however, in the one game I was the host. My movement was sluggish and unresponsive, I had about a quarter second delay between pressing buttons and the actions on screen, and enemies moved in jumps like under strobe lighting. It was the worst lag I ever had in any game of C2, and it only happened this once. Tell the truth, I was really surprised to even get into a game with non-Europeans, and getting no worse than two-yellow-bars connections, but apparently being the host for my overseas-gamemates presented the game with more problems than it could deal with.

As for the maps, they're actually pretty good. And huge. The only map that even comes close to that size was Liberty Island (that's Statue and Evac Zone combined), but you could only play that in CS, CTR, Assault and Xtrac. The level design is great, although I wish they would do something about the glare on the Compound Map when looking out at the harbor... I don't know if it's intentional but it starts to hurt my eyes after a while.

I would definitely like another lobby option where you could have the Onslaught playlist with all the maps in the game including DLC, or pretty much a separate lobby for people that have the DLC but don't want to play exclusively the DLC, which from there on can just choose the game mode(s) on all the available maps, standard and DLC combined.

Anyway, I'm still hoping for a patch to improve the connections, but I'm having enough fun as it is and don't regret the buy at all.

(I just wish not everybody would always want to play Crash Site...)

This is whats stopping me from getting it. It sounds good otherwise.

P4ncho. Say you played 10 games last night how many of those games were CS?

Example:
Shipyard- CS vs Compound- Assault
Transit- CS vs Park ave- CTR

Apparently the maps are with the old maps as well, however I ahve not come across them yet.

Sorry but at what percentage do you see each game mode? If I play a game of CS what are the chances of the new lobby having CS again?

And thanks for the feedback


You've created a thread and a poll to change things about the DLC but you haven't bought it? lol

I played about 10 matches last night and the options were Crash Site vs Othergametype each time.
Me and my party voted Crash Site each time as we enjoy it.
I imagine this playlist is just a temporary thing while the map pack is new, and the DLC maps will be merged into normal rotation soon enough.

Discoda,
Thinking the same thing...they really need to merge the new maps with the old ones(split CS from other game types as well). According to Eightbitwarrior, the new maps are with the old although I have not seen them there.

Also, I meant to check...are the new maps in the Traveler assessment??

You've created a thread and a poll to change things about the DLC but you haven't bought it? lol

Yeh, but I dont see how thats funny. I cant find solid information about this DLC & I want to know more about it before I bought it. I dont want to trawl through complaint after complaint that have nothing to do with this subject just to find something about it & its a good place if Crytek respond because I will update the thread so people dont have to look for the info. Its called being helpful

I had some questions so I wanted to know from the community before I bought it. It turns out that those questions are also the thoughts of other people who also want it changed. Did anyone who has got the DLC create a thread about this...No. Should it of been, by someone defo. It would on any other forum lets put it that way. What does me not having the DLC have to do with anything? If I didnt ask these questions I would of just bought it & then I would of been pissed. Do you know how forums should actually work mate?

@Wigga:

Well, we played... actually it was kinda around like 10 games, and all of them were Crash Site. But it was mainly because we had some clan group in the lobby that just wanted to play Crash Site so they could sit next to the Pod and spam with the L-Tag for easy kills. Those guys were the reason we then changed lobbies and tried CTR on the regular maps.
It's true that of the four merged game modes, CS is most likely the most liked... So maybe I have to recant my earlier statement and say now that they should open CS and Assault to their own playlists, and only merge CTR and Xtrac (they're both similar game types, after all). Assault is... well, you only get one life. I like it, but it's hard to get into it without some buddies to play with...

Personally, I would love the following: One Playlist with all Maps (including DLC) with NO VOTING and cycling game modes between CTR and Xtrac (maybe even CS), with an integrated in-game quitting penalty for that Lobby.
I honestly think that a lot of people only play CS because they know where the people will be to get easy kills, but at the same time those guys never really tried CTR or Xtrac and really don't know what they're missing...

I would also go for a Playlist that just cycles everything (maps and game-types) with no voting at all, and the quitting penalty...

Cheers for the info P4ncho.

I did end up buying it & heres my thoughts.

This is not a complaint. I knew exactly what I was getting myself in for (to an extent) before buying this DLC. I knew CS would be an issue after reading people's replys, but it is worse than I expected. Dont get me wrong i'm still glad I bought it & I dont regret it. I'll just learn CS & play TIA more until they fix it which they really should.

It's a Great looking DLC. From what i've seen Compound is my least favourite with Shipyard & Park Avenue being the best from what I got to see of it. No problems at all finding games the DLC maps have 6v6 no matter what your playing so i'm really happy with this.

Now on to how this DLC & why something has to change. It blunt so be warned. This PS pad is starting to hurt my thumb lol.

I joined a room. Shipyard CS v Compound Extraction - Extraction won. Played & finished the game & then we got
Park Avenue CTR v Transit Extraction - CTR wins, but then the games decides to put us on Shipyard CS. Played the game & then got the option to play Shipyard CS v Transit Extraction - Extraction wins. On to another game and there again.
CS & Extraction. - CS wins 3 more times.
I quit when it kept getting picked & thought I would try some TIA which is sweet on these maps, a little to big but still sweet.
CS & Extraction are rotated around the same 3 maps about 95% of the time. Shipyard, Transit & compound. I have manged to play CTR once on Park Avenue. When CTR came up the first time it was on Park Avenue so I kept an eye on what game modes are tide to which map. So far this is all I've got.

CS for Shipyard & Transit
Extraction for Transit & Compound
CTR for Park Avenue
& Assault not being part of the DLC which i've only just notice.

Crytek can you please confirm that we will be able to play CTR or CS on all maps? I did have a look in the private match list to see if that would help, but thats also misleading because according to a private match you can play Assault on compound, but compound it isnt apart of the Onslaught DLC so I dont know what to think about it or is the reason why their all bunched together is because we can on play those game types to those specific maps? Also are you planning on changing the DLC to have seperate servers. I'd be happy with just CTR & Extraction. An answer would be much appreciated. Thanks

Can anyone else confirm that you've played CTR, CS or Extraction on maps that i've not mentioned.

Like I said this is not complaint. I'm still really enjoying it but the way the DLC is set up it could do with tweaking.

wtf, no Instant action for the new maps?

wtf, no Instant action for the new maps?


Yeh mate sorry. Its got its own list so you get to play all the maps.

I only play team IA and the maps are great, but i don't want to see them merged with the old maps.I think this gives a better choice and no more skyline! hurrah!

Love it, Love it.

So another couple more hours I just seen CTR on Shipyard & Extraction on Park Avenue (1st time I seen at set up like this). At least it clears things up. You can play these modes on different maps after all but it still leaves me with questions.

When you try a private match these are the options
Instant Action - All maps
Team Instant Action - All maps
Crash Site - All maps
Extraction - Compound & Transit. I've now established that you can actually play Extraction on Park Avenue in ranked games even though theres no option in Private which leaves me hoping you can play Extraction on Shipyard as well.
Capture The Relay - Shipyard, Park Avenue & Transit. I have played CTR on Park Avenue once & seen it for the first time on a shipyard. According to the private match you cant play CTR on compound, but according to PM you cant play Extraction on Park Avenue so i'm not 100% sure if you can or can't.

Map Rotation
I finish a game & for the second time in a few hours of playing. Finally, Crash Site isnt an option. I get Shipyard CTR v Park Avenue Extraction. I've played PA once so I was happy to see that, but never played Extraction on it. I also wanted to play CTR on Shipyard seeing as it was the first time i've seen that. I voted for CTR & the games about to start & what happens again. It Kicked from the room only to join Crash Site after Crash Site games.

I know its been mention that the original map rotation svck but having map & game voting svcks even worse. Hardly anyone players Extraction so if you dont intend on changing the playlist please consider changing it from CS V Extraction which you get 99% of the time to CTR V CS. We would prefer a seperate playlist for CS.

I wouldnt need answer to these questions if the map roatation worked but seeing as it dosent we need some feedback Crytek.

I'm still happy with it, but If your going to buy this DLC with playing CTR in mind. Forget about it for now it doesnt work as it should.
IMO if you like IA TIA & CS & you dont have this DLC then your missing out.

Edited to update

I can confirm that you CAN play these games modes on these maps (Ranked)
IA - All maps (already known)
TIA - All maps (already know)
Crash Site - Transit, Park Avenue & Shipyard
Extraction - Compound, Transit & Park Avenue
CTR - Transit, Park Avenue & Shipyard

Whilst i've not seen this happen for modes other than Crash Site it is possible that you will get a CSvCS game.

I love all the maps and from what I have seen, they are in all the game types. The graphics on them is superb and they seem very well balanced. My favorite is Shipyard.

I bought the DLC thinking you could play all modes, but after reading the brief for onslaught it says CS, CTR & Extraction & after hours of playing I've not seen Assaualt.

I was confused but buzzin at the same time when I saw it.

Assault is part of the DLC. It came up for the first time on compound. If Assault is part of the DLC then this makes the rotation even worse than what it already is. 4 games modes & I get stuck with 1 game mode nearly ever match & a game mode that hardly anyone likes 80% of the time. Cryteks logic completely baffles me. It would also be good to know if you can play Assault on all maps & I know I wont get an answer from Crytek.

Can anyone confirm that they've also played Assaualt & if so what maps?

Yes, assault on compound. The onslaught description is incorrect, like other descriptions for modules etc. My squad no longer plays the onslaught lobby because of the 4 modes in 1 lobby=retarded as we stick to the Retal. TIA which is rather fun. Only thing is the 4 maps over and over will get boring within a few days, so it would be nice to see them combined with the originals.

AWESOME !!

so i bought the dlc because lot of my friends that i play with bought it
havent played yet cause had no time but will tomorrow