I am loosing patients with companies that refuse to code for Apple's Mac OS X. Can we please get some official reasoning, besides market value, for not developing for the Macintosh? Blizzard does it! And I'm sure a company like Bethesda makes tons of money publishing other peoples work. So money does not seem to be an issue. I say this bluntly because I have been a Mac gamer since 1988 and I am disappointed with a lot of the games not being released for the Macintosh. I know there are a lot of haters out there that would disagree with my position, but honestly a current Mac can run the games we seen today, even Crysis 2 (its nothing special unless your that extreme <- doubt it). Heck Rage doesn't look too different from Doom 3, and I'm sure anyone can play Doom 3 on Maximum settings 60 frames+. I also don't like the fact that Rage was first demoed at WWDC to my knowledge. When Steve Jobs and Apple invited John Carmack onto the stage I began to have higher hopes from developers in general. But now if you look at Rage's wiki page, id's website, and the official Rage site they no longer speak of WWDC's/Apple's introduction of id tech 5. Heck they no longer list Mac OS X as a developed platform. At WWDC John Carmack noted that getting Rage to run on Mac OS X was as simple as compiling the Macintosh version from the engine. I really hope Mac OS X isn't forgotten by id! Especially when the Macintosh was a very important market for the gaming industry. I also hope Bethesda starts to develop the Macintosh before they notice consumers buying more from Apple.

I know many of you are very young and would not have known the influence the Macintosh has had on the world. But please, no flaming, ignorance, or just plane being rude. Macs and Windows are both computers and when you write your software in C++ you can compile a version for both; even for Linux, Androids, and iPhones. Also note that hardware is not a limitation anymore.

Go!

Edit: Correction they do note that id Tech 5 was demoed at WWDC.

If Rage is coming for Mac OSX then expect to see it at the upcoming WWDC else no go. I know it's sad they demoed it first at WWDC but here is the thing steam is on the OSX now so you can expect Id might release an OSX version may be later in the year and not now. I remember Quake wars getting a linux port like a couple of months later.

John and Tim are doing a huge dis-service to Mac fans of id by not stating equivocally yes or no for Mac Rage. If the sale of id to Bethesda is the reason then that should be stated by both parties and we, Mac users can all move along and forget about id and Bethesda while continuing to support developers and publishers that support the Mac like EA, Blizzard, Valve, Ferral, Ubisoft, Bioware and to a lesser degree Gearbox and 2K.
It boggles my mind why all publishers producing Mac versions of their games except for Blizzard refuse to announce Mac titles until the day they are released despite them being under development for months or years or concurrently.

A couple of things. Steve does not care. The computer side of Apple is a sideshow now.

The baystud daughter, I am repeating myself, of FreeBSD and NeXT with some Darwin special sauce is a, mostly, *nix OS with a trick kernel that was derived from a Mach micro kernel then melded with FreeBSD's macro kernel. Some real nasty territory for cross compilation.

You should understand that Valve has ported it's source engine to OS X and this is where Steam's Mac stuff has mostly come from.

I would guess if we get a Linux port, which is likely, then it's possible there will be id tech 5 for OS X. John's port to IOS is just a toy really to amuse himself and to work phone OSs which was his hobby for a while. It's not very useful for an OS X port.

Why would you buy a Mac then whine about games? Did you not know games are written to the profitable platforms and these days that only just includes windows. The consoles are where the money is.

Bootcamp is your friend for games. I just boot into win 7 to play games on my mainly Linux machine.

I'll list my Mac RAGE!

1) Steve does not care? In fact he does, thats why Apple worked for 9x the graphical performance in the A5 chip. They care about graphics. Steam wouldn't have made a great system if Apple didn't support and welcome their initiative.
2) "FreeBSD and NeXT with some Darwin special sauce is a, mostly, *nix OS with a trick kernel that was derived from a Mach micro kernel then melded with FreeBSD's macro kernel. Some real nasty territory for cross compilation?" Really? Last I remembered Apple rewrote Mac OS 9 a long time ago. Here is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4CntluoBQ
3) You should understand that Valve has ported it's source engine to OS X and this is where Steam's Mac stuff has mostly come from? Thats again very old news. Everything has advanced further now. The App Store

Look I wont get into what Apple has done to advance its product.

If developers want to be apart of that glory than great and there are loads of developers that want to create Apps for the Macintosh. Apps or Applications 'computers' includes games, and yet again there are a lot of game developers for Mac OS X. id happens to be one and that shouldn't be the part of her that dies off!" She has produced my babies Doom, Wolfenstien ect.

When you program on iOS you have already used Mac OS. Not to say that you know a lot of the special add ons "OpenGL vr." but that you have already used Apples scheme for development and implementation. A lot of the Apple framework is the same in Mac OS and iOS. This is what has distinguished Apple and Windows, and its not just UNIX. By using Apples framework you don't have to stress about the hardware as much. You can design your product and it will run great if the device has the power to run it.

My Mac kicks butt in games, so its not the hardware. Why can't they just be open? Bethesda does not have a right IMO to damage the legacy of id's contribution. By being quite they are already causing havoc in the Mac market. Macs need there games and when you bring the hype and don't stick with it for the world to see then your involved in the wrong movement.

You don't know enough. Do more research.

OS X or OS 10 is the one after 9 which was a non multitasking spawn of Carnegie Mellon and only survived because of it's closed ecology.

The baystud OS is OS X.

As for the rest, your ignorance is well demonstrated.

closed ecology? I don't know where you live but in America involving American companies we don't just let competition get away. Competition is what turns the gears of our economy and what has made Mac OS X more advanced than Windows. Would you rather have Mac OS 9 built on more or switch to Mac OS X, an OS Apple has worked ambitiously to polish. Apple threw out OS 9 and made OS X, Microsoft turned Windows into Windows again, mostly adapting to changes in hardware.

Oh boy. OS X is a couple of old *nixes with Steve's special sauce. It's not especially advanced. It's a good consumer OS and that's about as far as it goes. OS 9 was pitiful and could not handle multitasking or x86, a closed ecology. FreeBSD runs on nearly as much stuff as Linux so even Steve's threat of going all ARM is quite possible.

Now Linux is so lean and mean it's used for almost all supercomputers. There is also a reason that most of the internet runs on Linux servers and hardly at all on OS X servers.

As I have said OS X is FreeBSD and NeXT with a dash of Mach. There was a time the FreeBSD kernel errors on Kerneltrap were exactly the same as OS X. Apple already owned NeXT and FreeBSD's license allows almost anything you want. That's why the windows network stack was just FreeBSD's for many years, may still be.

I understand you are enthusiastic but there is much hype in the Apple world. Try to remain calm.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LEXae1j6EY.

I don't think you understand what your talking about.

OS 9 was lackluster! But it could do multitasking.

x86? That support didn't come until Mac OS X 10.4, so it was irrelevant until Apple mad the decision to switch to intel.

As far as the technology and code, everything you have said is bogus! It isn't something the OP would have requested, but you posted it anyways.

You also can't claim that Linux is the majority in the server market, because that is a lie sir!

Hype at Apple is met, in time and with success!

But, that does not mean Bethesda or id should hide their development in this spectrum!

Put up the Apple Logo at the bottom of this page! If its not coming out than fine tell us, but don't let Microsoft hog the spectrum or let potential mac owners believe Apple isn't the machine for them. That isn't fair trade. Your Just fueling the fire that damages Apples image. Just like that phrase "Games for Windows"

Or even having more than one Xbox logo. Look three Playstation logos...

confirmed for mac, in a gamespot preview says, and also in this to choose gamespot mac, is confirmed

ROFL