I always see posts about how people would like to see the Enclave return, but honestly the Enclave can't possibly exist in any notable, organized form. Lets take a look at the confirmed and most possible major events in the Enclave's history.

- Enclave forces at Mariposa military base are forced out by Super Mutants
- The headquarters of the Enclave are destroyed when the Poseidon Oil Rig is nuked by the Chosen One
- West coast Enclave forces are forced out of Navarro and hunted down or integrated into NCR
- The remainder of the Enclave at Navarro and the Oil Rig relocate to Raven Rock under Autumn Senior
- Raven Rock is destroyed and the remaining Enclave forces relocate to Adams AFB
- Adams AFB is nuked by the Lone Wanderer and then overrun by the Lyon's Brotherhood of Steel
- The last known Remnants of the Enclave at Navarro die fighting alongside the Courier at Hoover Dam

The Enclave have suffered many defeats throughout the wasteland. And since their emergence have been forced to relocate twice, due to the destruction of three major headquarters. Any known remaining outposts have been overrun by local forces, and the last known remnants of the Enclave, with the exception of a single Eyebot, are all dead. This is of course assuming that the Courier completes For Auld Lang Syne, and that the Lone Wanderer decided against nuking the Pentagon in Fallout 3. Which is not at all a stretch, all things considered. A post-war faction simply can't survive the destruction of three headquarters, especially when most defeated outposts have been completely overrun. Expecting any sort of meaningful return of the Enclave is ridiculous.

You can use all the logic you want it will not stop all the conspiracy theories :sadvaultboy:

Still we know there is Chicago but I agree they arn't coming back as a power every again on their own.

No argument really. People who usually argue that the Enclave are still alive as anything but remnants, generally put up fairly weak arguments like "you don't know what could be out there, they could be in the congo!".

Personally I still believe that there's some possibility for a small mojave-BOS size group to be existing somewhere in Chicago. Especially if they were able to make some sort of deal with the MWBOS. But they would be struggling.

They aren't ever coming back as a major faction though. So for all intents and purposes, they are indeed finished.

My point: This is a game, anything can happen. Dead does not exist.

My question is why you want them so much as a main power instead of a new faction with new lore. (I'm assuming this is what you want, I could be wrong)

Who said as a main power? Im happy to see them just as a secretive bunker-bound faction. I just hate when people say: THEY ARE DEAD!!

Its a RP game. FO3:BS let me decide what happened to them. Until a dev announces that there are no more Enclave, or it shows up in FO directly, I will continue to say they exist. And, not a single person can prove me wrong In fact, they could very well be a giant powerhouse in DC by FO4 for all we know. Broken steel lets us decide. And if anyone says that because letting them live is the "bad" ending, I will say that Caesars legion lost Hoover damn. If I did that, however, people would tend to disagree and say its up to the player...

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Mk II

Fair enough. But you're right, it is fact that there is some remaining Enclave, hopefully Bethesda won't make it a huge power again. I wouldn't shed any tears if they never showed up again, but I also wouldn't if they were a minor faction with some good writing and questlines.

Yep. I think its reasonable to suggest that 100 or so men were able to survive the debacle in DC and are now at Chicago, I don't remember every single vertibird in Broken Steel being blown to hell. They wouldn't be able to do anything but survive, but thats beside the point.



As highly, highly unlikely as that may be. I would still laugh myself to death if it turned out that the "FEV insert into purifer/Enclave victory on east coast" senario was actually canon, and "Broken Steel" was simply alternate reality non-canon material. Wonder how people would take that sort of news. :spotted owl:

Be nice for the "bad guys" to win for once. I'd rather have a small Enclave state in DC rather than another BOS state.

My point is that people, such as the OP, like to think that because they see it one way, it must mean that their play through of the game is the deciding factor. Here's some news: Its a RP game, and there is no Cannon ending to BS, or even FO3 if you dont count BS as a Cannon game. For all we know, we don't ever hear from the East Coast in New Vegas because the Enclave has totally taken it over.

I don't think that is the case, but "They are Finished" only applies to the people that played it that way. Multiple endings mean... Multiple endings for any factions involved. Until FO4 or FO5 show that the Enclave was destroyed, no one but the devs have the authority to decide the fate of the given faction. So, in order to frustrate the OP, They are a huge faction dominating the east coast from Adams Air Force base. And there is nothing anyone can really do to disprove it

Case closed

Cheers,
Mk II