Cultural views on the end of the world

Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:02 pm

Knowing that the views of (most) mer and men are drastically opposed as to what it means to live within mundus. Elves feeling cheated for their disconnect from the divine, men believing that Nirn is a gift as of a parent to their child.
What then, should we expect elves (in general) to think about the Dragon coming? We know that men will wish to oppose it, though I think Nords have a distinct feeling of fatalism borrowed from the Norse. What of those not distinctly of man or of mer?
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:29 pm

I think I read that the beast races largely follow the same mindset as the men.
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:18 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_Clan_Mother_Ahnissi

Khajiiti gods don't quite like Lorkhan(or, in their case, Lorkhaj).
But I do get the impressions that the catfolk themselves like creation, so it's a notable irregularity from the man pattern.
As for the Argonians, they don't even worship any recognisable god(except possibly Boethiah).We have no clue on their view towards creation.
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:18 pm

Another thing I wonder is should eating the world be taken literally as physical consumption of Nirn? As far as I know all the references to complete world destruction come from the Nords (suicide cult exceptions aside). Could swallowing the world be akin to the elves pushing men off of Tamriel establishing their empires and ushering in the merithic era?
The histories and creation stories are divided on whether men were already in Tamriel before the Nords from Atmora 'invaded' and the idea - that the elves eliminated the men before, only to see them return - seems to present itself in some of their beliefs as well.
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Another thing I wonder is should eating the world be taken literally as physical consumption of Nirn?


Yes. Snow-Throat, a peak in Skyrim, was bitten off by Alduin.
As far as I know all the references to complete world destruction come from the Nords (suicide cult exceptions aside). Could swallowing the world be akin to the elves pushing men off of Tamriel establishing their empires and ushering in the merithic era?


Not really. Lots of things in Elder Scrolls lore are pretty literal in their meaning.
The histories and creation stories are divided on whether men were already in Tamriel before the Nords from Atmora 'invaded' and the idea - that the elves eliminated the men before, only to see them return - seems to present itself in some of their beliefs as well.

I don't know what piece of lore you've gotten that idea from, so I can't support or deny it's truth based on any source. However, I will say that I believe that all life started on Tamriel, according to a statement made by Nu Hatta in the Nu Mantia intercept text.
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:17 pm

  • The mer, save for dunmer, view the end of the world being when it is destroyed, so they can go back to the Dawn. You see, they see Mundus as a prison, and the way to get out is to destroy it.
  • The dwemer see it also as a prison, but do not view the need to destroy it (as of now). This can be seen with how they absorbacided into the Numidium and tried to go back in time to the first brush of Anu and Padomay, instead of blowing it up, which they probably could have, or attempted. Or they may be attempting it as we speak! But I doubt it.
  • Men see Mundus as a divine gift, made possible by Shor's sacrifice. The destruction of the world would mean the destruction of their greatest gift, which is a really bad thing.
  • Vivec seems to agree with this point above, and I'd gander to say the dunmer follow suit. Well, in that the world blowing up would be bad.
  • The argonians are largley unknown, along with the khajiit. However, I have the feeling they're more in-line with Mundus going boom is a bad thing. Then again, my only evidence towards this is the Cyrodiil's creation myth, as it was the beastmen who fought on Shor's side.
  • The Yokudan's see Mundus also as a prison, but created by their Alduin equivalent. They'd probably like to see it gone, as it's also a prison, but with a goal that's not about going back in time, but to be allowed to go to The Far Shores. To note, I not this is Yokudan, not Redguard. You see, the Redguards are pretty imperialized when it comes to religion.
  • For the Orsimer...I dunno. They're either too cynical to care, or care about the immediate future of returning back to their original form.



Also, Alduin is supposed to literally eat the world, not metaphorically.

lastly, (Insert name here), they wouldn't worship Boethia. No, they follow the Hist, whose opinons of Mundus are kind of unknown. They only thing we really know is that they recognize Sithis as the original push to the stasis.
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Post » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:47 pm


I don't know what piece of lore you've gotten that idea from, so I can't support or deny it's truth based on any source. However, I will say that I believe that all life started on Tamriel, according to a statement made by Nu Hatta in the Nu Mantia intercept text.


Just to clarify, I was saying that regardless of any common ancestor, Nedes in particular were present before the Nords invaded, (or came back). Kurt Khulmann seems to imply that saying the Nedes descended from common Nordic stock gives weight to the Septim line's claim, and is therefore continued in the Empire, but proven incorrect. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-others

I guess what it really boils down to for me is:
Why is it that the Nords believe that Alduin will come and destroy the world and everything in it cyclically (always starting with the Nords), but nobody else seems to have a direct mirror to this story? (at least that I've seen. I would be happy to be pointed to them and beg everyone's pardon if I just missed it)
Others may have their end of the world story, but as far as i know, not one that has already happened before.
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