Strange graphical anomaly... : IV

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:52 pm

So, I'm running into a strange graphical glitch, and hoping someone else has run into it and might be able to help.

I recently encountered it for the first time in Black Rock Cave, in the secret room with the pirate ship and ghosts you unlock by hitting the two switches on the above level of the dungeon.

If you Google Oblivion Black Rock you will find a wiki page about the area.

Basically, the NPC ghost effect is somehow conflicting with the combination of water and fog so that if any of the ghosts are contacting the water, alive or dead, whole sections or layers of the other visuals get blocked out by a visual anomaly. Parts of my bow in first person for example, disappear behind an invisible blob.

It is sort of like when you would set ugridstoload in the INI and whole sections of water would vanish, only with things other than water. Bits of the water get choppy also.

It seems like a rendering issue, so I regenerated my INI file, removed OBGE, even tried reinstalling the latest NVIDIA drivers from scratch using a driver cleaner, and nothing seems to effect it.

I haven’t changed any mods, but then it could be I just never ran into a situation with ghost shaders plus water plus fog that created the glitch before now.

Here is my load order anyway:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm04  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]07  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]0B  Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm0C  WAC.esp0D  WAC - OverSpawn.esp0E  WAC - TCOS.esp0F  WAC - TCOS Shops.esp  [Version 03]10  WAC - Magic.esp11  WAC - BlackBootDungeon.esp12  WAC - Player Summons.esp13  WAC - Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]14  WAC - Horses.esp15  WAC - Birds&Insects.esp16  Streamline 3.1.esp17  DLCShiveringIsles.esp18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  phinix_dual-wield_imports.esp1A  001-unofficial_oblivion_patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]1B  002-unofficial_si_patch.esp1C  003-silent_player_voice.esp1D  004-mrp_loading_area.esp++  005-no_random_gatestorms.esp1E  006-full_harvest.esp  [Version 1.0]1F  007-book_jackets_oblivion.esp++  008-lusty_argonian_cover.esp++  009-book_jackets_si.esp++  010-va_better_gold.esp++  011-cm_better_wine_si.esp20  012-smarter_mercantile.esp++  013-phinix-waterfix.esp21  014-alive_waters.esp22  015-aw-koi_addon.esp23  016-aw-fish_addon.esp++  017-skeleton_shaders.esp24  018-clocks_of_cyrodiil.esp25  019-ad_tree_home.esp26  020-legion_horse_armor.esp27  021-midas_magic.esp28  022-sg1gearspells.esp29  023-spell_and_item_delete.esp2A  101-harvest_flora.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  102-harvest_flora_si.esp  [Version 3.0.0]2B  103-francescos_optional_more_enemies.esp2C  104-francescos_optional_stronger_enemies.esp2D  105-francescos_optional_stronger_bosses.esp2E  106-francescos_optional_guards.esp++  107-fcom_francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  108-fcom_francescos_items.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  109-fcom_francescos_named_bosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  110-oscuros_oblivion_overhaul.esp31  111-ooo-map_markers_stock.esp  [Version 1.33]32  112-ooo-no_guild_ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]33  113-ooo-water_fish.esp  [Version 1.34]34  113b-oblivion_warcryEV.esp  [Version 1.09]35  114-bobs_armory_oblivion.esp36  114c-loths_blunt_weapons-npcs.esp37  114b-loths_blunt_weapons-mobs.esp38  115-fcom_bobs_armory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  116-armamentarium_llooo.esp  [Version 2.01]++  117-armamentarium_llmagicooo.esp  [Version 1.35]++  118-armamentarium_llvendors.esp  [Version 1.35]39  119-armamentarium_artifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]3A  120-artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  121-artifacts_arma_complete_addon.esp  [Version 1.0]3B  121b-roberts_armamentium_female.esp++  122-mmm-si.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  123-mmm-diverse_waterlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]3D  124-mmm-more_wilderness_life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  125-mmm-more_passive_wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  126-mmm-hunting&craft.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  127-mmm-gem&dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  128-mmm-diverse_runeskulls_gd.esp.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  130-mmm-slof_horses.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  131-mmm-slof_horses_armor.esp  [Version 0.91]40  131a-cobl_glue.esp  [Version 1.72]41  131b-cobl_si.esp  [Version 1.63]42  131c-ooo1.32-cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  131d-mmm-cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]43  131e-salmo_the_baker-cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  131f-mmm_runeskull_rebalance_B2.esp  [Version Beta]44  132-fcom_convergence.esp45  133-fcom_real_swords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  134-fcom_entropic_order_rebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]46  134b-fcom_realswords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  134c-fcom_warcry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]++  135-OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]48  ElsweyrAnequina.esp++  ElsweyrAnequinaFemaleBody.esp++  WAC - Elsweyr Anequina.esp49  201-rens_beauty_pack_full.esp++  202-roberts_male_body5.esp4A  203-exnem_clothing.esp++  204-hgec_armor.esp4B  205-slofs_appendages.esp++  206-initial_glow-all.esp++  improved_soulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]4C  301-dmc_stylish-specialanims.esp4D  302-stylish_jump.esp4E  303-mayus_animation_overhaul.esp4F  advanced_window_lighting_system.esp50  immersive_interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]51  immersive_interiors-lights_addon.esp  [Version 0.7]52  Romuska Fantasy Store.esp53  phinix_master_summon.esp54  phinix_portable_tent.esp55  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]56  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]57  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]58  Bashed Patch, 0.esp59  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

I know it is the combination of ghost + water + fog because if I disable any dead ghosts in the water, the ones not in the water don’t cause the glitch. If I then drag their bodies into the water, the glitch is back.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:34 am

I've experienced that too in Black Rock, was the effect something like http://i52.tinypic.com/6opjyh.jpg? Never figured it out either, would be great if the veterans can shed some light on it.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:31 am

I've experienced that too in Black Rock, was the effect something like http://i52.tinypic.com/6opjyh.jpg? Never figured it out either, would be great if the veterans can shed some light on it.

Yes, that is exactly it! I was trying to post some screen shots but photo bucket is being a pain.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:24 am

Are you both using an ATI/AMD video card? If so that's a transparency anomaly caused by bugs in how those cards handle transparent stuff. I see crap like that all the time and there's nothing that can be done about it from what I've been told. You can often see it clearly by going to a place where there's a waterfall and looking at where the foam contacts the surface - there's a "hole" where neither the foam nor the water surface is visible yet you can see everything beneath them clear as day. You can also see it sometimes if using All Natural - thatch roofing on the interior farmhouse meshes sometimes vanishes at certain angles while looking through the windows.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:14 am

Yep, ATI. Thanks for the info.

Never noticed it elsewhere, didn't look closely I guess. It was only really distracting when I come across it in dungeons.