Well fact is that generally, men tend to be physically stronger than women; keep in mind that this isn't all true. I've seen some physically imposing females who can kick a dude's ass, but when such women are compared to men of their size and/or build, the men still tend to be stronger in raw physical strength. However, despite what any feminist may believe, fact still remains that men tend to possess more upper body strength than women; this is why men tend to be able to crank out more pullups, pushups, and bench press sets than women.

Because of such facts exists on gender differences, I sure wished video game companies would actually make games that show such differences between men and women. I'm not saying that men are superior to women in all things. I'm just saying that between the average man and woman, there are vast physical differences and I would love to see such differences implemented in video games. I don't see this happening anytime soon though because I know that there will be people crying sixist, discrimination, and etc.

Evey TES game already does this (though it was moot in daggerfall due to a bug)

Take a look at race stats for all the TES games, women and men are given different bonuses and penalties. For races, Men generally possess better strength, speed, and endurance while women generally get better willpower, intelligence, agilty and personality.

Evey TES game already does this (though it was moot in daggerfall due to a bug)

Take a look at race stats for all the TES games, women and men are given different bonuses and penalties. For races, Men generally possess better strength, speed, and endurance while women generally get better willpower, intelligence, agilty and personality.

Maybe I should look closer at the stats then because all this time, I did not notice any differences between the genders other than physical appearances.

Actually, the females generally have higher Endurance, while the males have higher Strength...

Its actually a relief to me that TES, and gamesas on a hole dont make their females look like http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/270011b.jpg. They, by comparison, generally look like real people. Do i use some mods to perk them up a bit and make the facial models more attractive?

Common misconception, while there does appear to be a slight stink of sixism, somebody stating statistical and scientific facts that show on average that women are not as strong and fast as males on average (and probably wouldn't have a body that looks the part) only the most ignorant and immature would consider that sixism. It's called dimorphism, and it happens in just about every species on the planet.

That said vault boy's comments stink of a bit of a bit of misogyny or maybe he's just delivering his opinions in a pretty deadpan fashion.



Well, it's not entirely true. the reason women aren't allowed to participate in combat scenarios is because of the psychological toll it'd have on both the enemy and allies.

A female soldier dying next to her male squadmates would probably have a particularly hard impact on morale. Likewise captured female combatants are obviously more likely to be harshly "abused" in prisoner of war scenarios. Its not necessarily that women cant perform well as fighters, it's just that mixing genders when it comes to war will have unexpected social, emotional, and psychological repercussions.

Anyways, getting kind of off-topic. A set of body sliders would allow players to customize female characters to whatever they see fit for their role, likewise it'll also add variety to female NPCs who also fill a variety of different roles.

it's just that mixing genders when it comes to war will have unexpected social, emotional, and psychological repercussions.

Common misconception, while there does appear to be a slight stink of sixism, somebody stating statistical and scientific facts that show on average that women are not as strong and fast as males on average (and probably wouldn't have a body that looks the part) only the most ignorant and immature would consider that sixism. It's called dimorphism, and it happens in just about every species on the planet.

That said vault boy's comments stink of a bit of a bit of misogyny or maybe he's just delivering his opinions in a pretty deadpan fashion.



Well, it's not entirely true. the reason women aren't allowed to participate in combat scenarios is because of the psychological toll it'd have on both the enemy and allies.

A female soldier dying next to her male squadmates would probably have a particularly hard impact on morale. Likewise captured female combatants are obviously more likely to be harshly "abused" in prisoner of war scenarios. Its not necessarily that women cant perform well as fighters, it's just that mixing genders when it comes to war will have unexpected social, emotional, and psychological repercussions.

sixism: The belief that one six is superior to another, scientific evidence be damned either way.

Actually, the females generally have higher Endurance, while the males have higher Strength...

You can believe that men are faster and stronger then women and not be a total sixist. It's really just facts. However, where men are superior to women in some ways, women are also superior to men in some ways -- we're more rational and better decision-makers, for one (studies show that women make better pilots than men, for example), we are not prone to acts of violence (a ridiculous percentage of violent crime, some number over 90%, is perpetrated by men), our senses are more finely tuned (mainly scent and taste), and really, women are much, much prettier. :teehee:

EDIT: It svcks that men have the physical advantage, but they evolved to protect the women -- who, in the past, would have spent all their time pregnant in order to keep up with the high infant mortality rate. Women evolved to defend themselves against that physical advantage -- we are better able to gauge moods/emotions than men for that reason. If someone stronger than you is pissed off, it's good to know so you don't piss them off even more.

If you want to be accurate to human dimorphism in stat distribution, women should have higher charisma and wisdom, and men should have higher speed and strength. This seems a bit uneven as far as game mechanics, though.

This trend was set up by most MMORPG and some single-player RPG games (Bioware I'm looking at you :verymad: )

Don't forget better pain tolerance for women (+5-10% of Hp) and higher regeneration rate for men
But such gender differences should only apply to men races, mer and beast races should have their own gender features


Also, I wanted to start new topic, but since we already are discussing female characters...

Am I only one who is worried about "armored bikini" problem?
This trend was set up by most MMORPG and some single-player RPG games (Bioware I'm looking at you :verymad: )
Women should ware armor of same protective degree
(I don't care if it looks hot, battlefield is not about seducing your enemy, but reducing him to bleeding peace of dead meat, preferably without loosing much of your own blood/limbs)
Bethesda do not give me this problem yet, but I'll be damned if in Skyrim they have such armor style for women <_<

What? Bioware? Most armor I've seen looks pretty much exactly alike on men and women. If you're going to point fingers, point them at WoW.

Bethesda have never catered to the armoured bikini lovers. Nothing in the admittedly few screenshots of female characters or in the concept art suggests they are going to do so

Let's see, Miranda had that suit for reasons she actually described in the game. Besides, most people on the Squad prefer shields over actual armor.
And in DA2? I must ask where you saw the chainmail bikini stuff there. I guess my 6 playthroughs weren't enough to see them, but you must've seen them, right?

There's a reason women don't traditionally serve as warriors. They typically aren't as well suited for it as men. They're not as strong, they're not as fast, and they don't possess the same killer instincts. Instead, their instincts are more paternal in nature.

Basically, there's a reason the WNBA svck and women play Softball.

Are we talking about stats here, or did I just offend you all for kicks?