Guards dropped dead tired when approach : IV

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:06 am

Hi,

Reregistered since I cant find my old account and the email I used for it also bombed into oblivion.

After a long hibernation, I reinstalled my oblivion to play with ROM (Revised Oblivion Mod)..I almost have a nice working mod load .. but the guard in IC, I'm still there since arriving from the dock, have been dropping down, presuming out of stamina from the weight of their armor.. Not dead, since some do stand back up, or if you chat them before they falls, they can still chat and answer your question. I've read the ROM thread before and cant remember if this was a known case, but I wonder if anyone else encounter the same problem, and if there is any solution to it. There are also some random NPC laying around as well, and I assumed they suffered from the same problem.

My mod list ..

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Windfall.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]
03 MD_Saddle_Master.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.5.5b4]
07 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.8b5]
08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
09 Lovers with PK.esm
0A BreakUndies.esm
++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
0B TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
0C TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
** Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
** Beautiful_Women_Revised.esp
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk UOS.esp
10 TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms Vwalk UOS.esp
** Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly Vwalk UOS.esp
11 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]
12 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]
++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
13 Enhanced Water v2.0 ND.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
14 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]
15 WindowLightingSystem.esp
16 1em_GiveAGift.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
17 Personality Idles - Modified version.esp [Version 1.3]
18 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.2.2]
19 FF_Real_Thirst.esp
1A C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp
1B DynamicLeveledLists.esp
1C Streamline 3.1.esp
1D DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1F SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]
20 DLCOrrery.esp
21 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
** DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
22 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]
23 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
24 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
25 MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
26 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
27 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
28 FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
29 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
2A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
2B OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
2C Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.8b5]
2D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2E Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2F Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
30 Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
31 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
32 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
33 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
34 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]
35 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
36 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
37 C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
38 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp
39 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
3A Ash's Odd Jobs.esp
3B BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
++ DBQ-AKnifeInTheDark_delayed.esp
3C Abriael_Human.esp
3D Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.1]
** Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp
3E KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
3F Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
** Region Revive - Lake Rumare Vwalk.esp
40 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
41 The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp
42 Windfall.esp
** Windfall Vwalk.esp
43 Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp [Version 2.0.7]
** Cyrodiil Travel Services Vwalk.esp
44 Knights.esp
45 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
** Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
46 EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
47 ROM Revised Oblivion Mod.esp
48 ROM Patch - Knights.esp [Version 2.30]
++ ROM Patch - MMM H&C.esp
49 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.2.COBL]
** AFK_Weye Vwalk.esp
4A Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
4B Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
4C Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
4D EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
4E kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
4F Live at Gweden Farm.esp
50 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
51 LoversFSE.esp
52 LoversadvltPlayPlusforSSP.esp
53 LoversBed.esp
54 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 89]
55 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
56 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
++ ROM Patch - Alternative Start.esp
57 RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
58 Addendum - Vampires.esp
59 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.esp
5A RenGuardOverhaul.esp
5B Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
** Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [Version 0.78]
5C PHVanillaEyesAddon.esp
5D eyja.esp
** eyja Vwalk.esp
5E 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.1]
++ AMB.esp
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
5F MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp [Version 1.2]
60 Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp
61 kuerteeDetectLifeEffectNightEyeShader.esp
++ LightSpellWhiteDimmer.esp
62 qazFingerSnap.esp
63 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
64 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]
65 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
66 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
67 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

There are some questionable mod names in here.. Sorry :s

A little bit offtopic if I may too.. does anyone else also encounter BSOD concerning a certain dxgmms1.sys file when playing Oblivion (or any graphic heavy games)? I'm using ATI Radeon 5450 HD 512 Mb graphic card.under win 7 ultimate, 32 bit. and I often get hit by it.. inducing me to save every few minutes in fear of it.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:51 pm

Well, you should re-order at least two of your mods, which are loading after your bashed patch. Don't think that's supposed to happen.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:55 pm

That is not the issue - I'm certain it is an OOO issue.

I've had the issue with my FCOM game and I've read of several who have issues with it in their load orders - and always OOO was in there. There was a thread about it a while back. Not http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1143887-dying-guards/, but another one - I can't find it though.

OOO has a guard killing script (for replacing them with female guards or something - I forget what.

I narrowed it down to OOO by the process of saving right before entering a cell with a guard that would fall then by slow process of elimination found it was OOO. What triggers them to fall I don't know, but they didn't always.

CorePC is aware of it, but no known fix as it is now.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:35 am

I see.. Its something I could do nothing about then.. since OOO was required for ROM. But its good to know the culprit so I can try to find the solution. Never played with OOO or FCOM. Was strictly TIE + MMM for me before.

At least it wasnt because of those mods as well

.. Wont like it if I have to disable them.

@ Vercalos.. thats how BOSS sorted it.. and the main esp was correctly sorted too, so I doubt it matters.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:40 am

BOSS most likely sorted these:
66 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
67 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
After bash because they were unrecognized. If updating BOSS masterlist does not fix that then report in the BOSS thread.

To be sure though check the bottom of the BOSS readout.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:02 pm

Nope.. they were recognized by BOSS.. I read the log every time top to bottom to see if BOSS failed to recognized anything. Their main parent (bundled together) are correctly sorted (Lovers with PK)

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:28 pm

Hi,

Reregistered since I cant find my old account and the email I used for it also bombed into oblivion.

After a long hibernation, I reinstalled my oblivion to play with ROM (Revised Oblivion Mod)..I almost have a nice working mod load .. but the guard in IC, I'm still there since arriving from the dock, have been dropping down, presuming out of stamina from the weight of their armor.. Not dead, since some do stand back up, or if you chat them before they falls, they can still chat and answer your question. I've read the ROM thread before and cant remember if this was a known case, but I wonder if anyone else encounter the same problem, and if there is any solution to it. There are also some random NPC laying around as well, and I assumed they suffered from the same problem.

It's a very unusual bug but it has popped up for some users. Not sure if it was pinpointed to OOO as Psymon says - but can't remember the particulars. I thought it was some weird mod interaction rather and basically unresolved. Anyway, some notes on your load order:

06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.5.5b4] - Preferably update to 37b3. Note that it's necessary to remove the previous MMM install before updating, but worth it as it's the most stable and best release.
07 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.8b5] - As above.

0B TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp - Import NPC Faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked. Otherwise it will override OOO's NPC stats.

2C Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.8b5] As above. plus optionals.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:49 am

Here is how it finally hit my character so that I had to find out what the cause was.

When Baurus is guarding Martin at cloud sanctuary and I had to go to him to get instructions. I went back to the temple and found him dead on the ground but could still talk (minimally with him), but if I clicked on him his inventory came up like he was dead. I'd seen one of the guards in Green Emperor caught with this, but he is non-essential and Roadsman Fenton (as he is named by OOO) seemed hit with it too - except that because his is often on horseback it was his horse that got struck with it and http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo54/psymon11b/zSSHorseCollide2.jpg. I had a whole thread about that at one point too - some two years ago. Since then I've kept an eye on the topic. Seems to me that all reports have OOO installed.

Well since Baurus was in this state I went through and disabled every combination of mods in the FCOM load order and then reload just before entering cell with him in it. As soon as OOO was disabled (and therefore most of FCOM) he was alive as if nothing happened. The guard in the IC too.

But no fix, so what I ended up doing was sacrificing about 4 hours worth of game time (I'd already spent that long trying to figure out what mod caused it). And went back to a save when I last saw him live and played through again (making different choices and going back sooner than I had last time) and luckily he was not hit with this. The guard in the IC and roadsman Fenton still are afflicted with this in that install.

I've not seen it in the other installs without OOO.

I recall CorePC stating it may be due to the script that kills guards in OOO.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:18 am

No, it's due to a bug in the version of Extra Wounding that was bundled with previous versions of MMM, caused by the Oblivion engine not bothering to report NPC stats correctly if they aren't in a loaded cell. Upgrading to the most recent version of MMM & EW should fix the problem.

Eloise

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:46 pm

No, it's due to a bug in the version of Extra Wounding that was bundled with previous versions of MMM, caused by the Oblivion engine not bothering to report NPC stats correctly if they aren't in a loaded cell. Upgrading to the most recent version of MMM & EW should fix the problem.

Eloise

Thanks. I'll try to keep it in mind this time. Pretty sure we have gone through this before.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:30 am

No, it's due to a bug in the version of Extra Wounding that was bundled with previous versions of MMM, caused by the Oblivion engine not bothering to report NPC stats correctly if they aren't in a loaded cell. Upgrading to the most recent version of MMM & EW should fix the problem.

Eloise

Ah. very nice.. I'll go hunt for the latest MMM and download it.. I remembered my old disk have the MMM so I just installed that and didnt check for the latest version.

edit:
If I used OMOD to installed MMM before, would it be safe if I deactivate it and all the related mods (OOO, Cobl and body replacer in particular) from there then reinstall it ? Uninstall oblivion is something I dont really wished to do again, for the 2nd time this week actually, if I can help it .. Tooks 2 day to get where I am now.