Best Overhaul mod? : IV

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:42 am

First, before we start, i don't know a lot of thing about overhaul, i never installed one. Im looking for a new experience, not necessary a harder game.

Like what is FCOM, UFCOM, XFCOM, YFCOM, X+Y+Z+FCOM (no joke, i saw a lot of prefix to FCOM, not X or Y, these where just example, but i just want to know what all of these are)

I heard OOO somewhere, a lot of time, francesco and mart something monster, and a lot more.

Can you put a short description about all overhaul(including one i didn't mention), and say me why you prefer which one, and why you {hate/don't like/prefer other} to help me choose which one to use.
Also i want to know how hard is it to install, what i have to do. And finally, is it compatible with official plug-in and unofficial patch? If not compatible with UOP, does it include its fix? I have to whole summer to play oblivion. Also, i want to be able to backup my original game, which utility does that? I mean, having multiple copy and managing each of them: one with mod, other not.

And finally, can you also list me some mod compatible with these overhaul?

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:47 am

Hi,
I will take the easy one...FCOM= FTW

FCOM=
The "F" is Frans=Francesco's leveled creatures/items mod
The "C" is Oblivion War Cry
The "O" is OOO = Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
The "M" is MMM= Marts Monster Mod

The Only way to have ALL of these in one install is to use FCOM OR your Computer will Explode!! Lol

When you see >UFCOM is Unofficial update and It is the preferred way to go.>http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1197195-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz/

List mods that are compatible?...Most all so I will give you my Load order I have a completely Rock solid Game . Have new Record for time in game straight without a crash......10 hours!!!

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.2.1]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 TamRes.esm
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0A Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0B Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0C Better Cities Resources.esm
0D bookplacing.esm [Version 1]
0E CM Partners.esm
0F HorseCombatMaster.esm
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
11 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
12 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
13 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
14 Better Cities .esp
15 TamRes.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B All Natural.esp [Version 1.2]
1C All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.2.1]
1D Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]
1E Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]
1F OBGE - Liquid Water.esp
20 MIS Low Wind.esp
21 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
22 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
23 Side's EAX Control.esp [Version 1.0]
24 Rainbows.esp
25 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.2.1]
26 WindowLightingSystem.esp
27 AliveWaters.esp
28 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
29 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
2A Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
2B ChaseCameraMod.esp
2C VanityCameraSmoother.esp
2D CLS-Sailboats-COBL.esp
2E ImprovedSigns.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
2F P1DseeYouSleep.esp
30 Portable Campsite.esp
31 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.2.2]
32 FormID Finder4.esp
33 HTFpcb Extended.esp
34 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.0]
35 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.8]
36 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
37 sr_super_hotkeys.esp [Version 0.54]
++ doofdillas_potions_recolored_sorted_v0_3_1.esp [Version 0.3.1]
38 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3]
39 SentientWeaponExchange.esp
** Armamentium female.esp
3A Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
3B Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
3C Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]
40 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
41 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
42 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
43 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
44 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
45 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
46 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
47 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
49 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]
4F TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
50 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
51 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
** ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
** Fransfemale.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
52 advlt_BookStore.esp
53 AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp
54 Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp
55 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
56 GP_Moretta.esp
57 Jason1_Pirate Ship.esp
58 GlenvarCastle.esp
** GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp
59 Shads Water Bucket Plus.esp
5A Side's Sailing Ships.esp [Version 0.93.5]
++ Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp [Version 1.2]
5B sunk ships.esp
5C Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
5D Blood&Mud.esp
5E Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
5F Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
60 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
61 Tamriel.esp
62 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
** ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp
63 TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp
64 TWMP_Summerset.esp
65 TWMP_Hammerfell.esp
66 TWMP_HighRock.esp
67 TWMP_Skyrim.esp
68 TWMP_Morrowind.esp
69 TWMP_BlackMarsh.esp
6A xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
6B xulTheHeath.esp
6C XulEntiusGorge.esp
6D xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
6E xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
6F xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
70 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
71 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp
72 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
73 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
74 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
75 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
76 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
77 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
78 xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3]
79 xulPantherRiver.esp
7A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7B xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp
7C xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]
7D xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
7E xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7F xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp
80 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
81 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
82 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
83 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Real Lava 1.3.esp
84 Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
85 Automagic Bags.esp
86 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.1.1]
87 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
88 EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
89 ImprovedSoulgems.esp [Version 1.11]
8A Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 3.2.1]
8B No Screensaver.esp
8C Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp
8D SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp
8E Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
8F Quest Award Leveller.esp
90 RealisticForceHigh.esp
91 RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp
92 Simple Essentials beta2.esp
93 RefScope.esp [Version 1.3.0]
94 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
95 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp
96 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
97 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
98 Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
99 Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
9A nGCD.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
9B Ethereal - Eyes.esp
9C CM Partners.esp
9D Ren_Soya_KD's.esp
9E _Ren_BeautyPack_full + Soya's hair.esp
9F CM Partners NPC.esp
A0 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
A1 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.1]
** 1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp
A2 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
++ EyelashesForVanillaRaces1.0.esp [Version y]
A3 SkinMannequinCOBL-nosleep.esp
A4 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A5 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
A6 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
A7 Better Imperial City.esp
A8 BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
A9 BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
AA BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
AB Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
AC Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
AD Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
AE Automatic Timescale.esp [Version 1.1.1]
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
AF bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
B0 MiniMap.esp
B1 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.2]
B2 LandMagicPatch.esp
B3 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
++ My merged patch.esp

Just to give you an Idea what is possible......Remember to read all readmes!!!

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:56 am

FCOM = Francesco's, oblivion warCry, Oscuro's oblivion overhaul, Martigen's monster mod
XFCOM = FCOM + some XXX mods
YFCOM = FCOM + some homosixual XXX mods
UFCOM = Unofficial FCOM (update)
X+Y+ZFCOM = XFCOM + YFCOM + Zombie expansion
Two of the above are real. Can you guess which ones?
Also, I love this black text. I feel like a genius for thinking of it. Better than spoilers!

I don't want to sound like a grouchy old person, but I feel like one ATM: we've had about a billion of these threads, and more than a few in just the last couple of days. Would it really kill you to do some independent research? I mean, seriously, the OOO thread is on the first page. Did you not think to take a look at it? Kids these days, don't know how to put a bit of effort in before crying for help.... [insert 'bah' and 'humbug' as appropriate]

@ camaro-69_327: Your copy of All Natural needs updating.

» Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:59 am

First, before we start, i don't know a lot of thing about overhaul, i never installed one. Im looking for a new experience, not necessary a harder game.

Like what is FCOM, UFCOM, XFCOM, YFCOM, X+Y+Z+FCOM (no joke, i saw a lot of prefix to FCOM, not X or Y, these where just example, but i just want to know what all of these are)

I heard OOO somewhere, a lot of time, francesco and mart something monster, and a lot more.

Can you put a short description about all overhaul(including one i didn't mention), and say me why you prefer which one, and why you {hate/don't like/prefer other} to help me choose which one to use.
Also i want to know how hard is it to install, what i have to do. And finally, is it compatible with official plug-in and unofficial patch? If not compatible with UOP, does it include its fix? I have to whole summer to play oblivion. Also, i want to be able to backup my original game, which utility does that? I mean, having multiple copy and managing each of them: one with mod, other not.

And finally, can you also list me some mod compatible with these overhaul?

The most complete overhaul experience is delivered by UFCOM , also known as FCOM Convergence. This is basically a modular project that lets you combine the four most popular overhaul mods together. UFCOM is a combination of Francescos Leveled Items and Creatures, Oblivion Warcry, Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul (OOO) and Martigen's Monster Mod (MMM). Together they provide a much harder Oblivion experience which add tons of new weapons, items and quests to the original vanilla game.

It must be said that if you're not very familiar with oblivion mod installation then installing FCOM can be a daunting task and will require a lot of reading and testing to get things working the way they are supposed to. You will need Wrye Bash and the Better Oblivion Sorting System (BOSS) and optionally the Oblvion Mod Manager for mod installation. Also depending in what other mods you want to install you'll need the Oblvion Script Extender (OBSE).

As for backups, I believe wrye bash has a backup function, however I prefer to just make a copy of the original oblivion folder and rar that up in case I need to make a fresh installation. If you want a backup of a current selection of mods you can just make a copy of the Oblivion\Data folder.

All info on UFCOM can be found http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1197195-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz/ and http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/convergence.html.

If setting up UFCOM seems too much of a challenge you might want to go for OOO + MMM as they don't conflict and add a lot of stuff as well. I'm just saying this cause during my journey of installing UFCOM and additional mods I had to start over a couple of times even with backups. I finally managed to get things reasonably stable, though and i must say it was completely worth the effort.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:24 pm

[off topic]

@ camaro-69_327: Your copy of All Natural needs updating.

Thanks for that!!

I know some of my Mods....AN, War cry, UFCOM need an update. I was waiting for UFCOM to go Gold! OOO is close so is MMM I read the Change Log for AN 1.3 WOW you changed Tons of things. Think I will look into that ...
[/off topic]

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:07 pm

FCOM = Francesco's, oblivion warCry, Oscuro's oblivion overhaul, Martigen's monster mod
XFCOM = FCOM + some XXX mods
YFCOM = FCOM + some homosixual XXX mods
UFCOM = Unofficial FCOM (update)
X+Y+ZFCOM = XFCOM + YFCOM + Zombie expansion
Two of the above are real. Can you guess which ones?
Also, I love this black text. I feel like a genius for thinking of it. Better than spoilers!

genius :thumbsup:
I've never heard of XFCOM or YFCOM or others..