Is any body else going to be highly disappointed if Fallout 4 does not take place in Chicago?

I'm more curious about the Commonwealth since we've already been to Chicago in Tactics. What's the big deal about Chicago anyway?

I'm not gonna be disappointed, but I'd like to see Chicago. We haven't seen Chicago in a game yet, Fallout Tactics took place outside Chicago, we got to see the remains of a few suburbs of Chicago but no the city itself. And it's also been like 100 years since Fallout Tactics took place (started in 2190's I think), so it would be fun. http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3660/fallout4.jpg I have for a world map. It'd involve the old MWBoS after the Barnaky ending, for some reason they allied with Enclave who are also present in Chicago in some way (look at Styles explanation for all that). There'd be the Mutant Liberation Army, aswell as a Detroit-based faction and a Toronto-based faction.

The Enclave are a separate faction from MWBoS, but the Enclave are nestling into the BoS leadership, gaining positions among the elder ranks, they are playing nice to be accepted (MWBoS doesn't know about Enclave since they left before Fallout 2) and the BoS are interested in their vast knowledge and access to technology. Some BoS elders do want to get rid of the Enclave influence, but that's for the game story to handle. The Enclave plan is to take over the BoS, activate and enhance the robot army again (look at Styles explanation again), fix the Calculator which Barnaky's brain is in, and then when the time is right, they kill the brain, take the calculator, use the robot army to kill of the MWBoS because they are, after all, impure humans (MWBoS and Enclave share the hate of super mutants and ghouls, but the Enclave also hate impure humans which the BoS are, so therefore they are getting rid of them all but first they play the BoS, have them kill off the MLA and other impurities, have them turn against their own elders, things like that.

Edit: Oh, and the reason why the Enclave didn't exterminate the MWBoS on spot. Well... they were weak when they escaped from California, maybe 800 of them (and MWBoS are thousands!). When they went to D.C. they met a superior force, they weren't prepared or strong enough then to fight so they made some sort of deal. They were allowed to set up an (or a few) outpost(s) in/under/outside Chicago where they stationed maybe 50 personnel. Then they went to Raven Rock, were there for a bunch of years, suffered two fatal blows from some 19 year old vault dweller and then they retreated back to Chicago, maybe 100 of them.
Also, an explanation as to why the Enclave PA in Fallout 3 looks so similar to BoS PA in Tactics is given - they met them before they went to D.C. and merged designs.

I think, honestly, that the Barnaky ending is non-canon. I have a few reasons for this thought. It's been 100 years, why haven't the Calculator Armies made their way to the west coast, like they were trying to? Caesar's Legion exists, and is focusing a ton on the dam...this implies no real threat from the east, thus, the Calculator was destroyed. There's no way that in a century that insanely powerful force hasn't stomped it's way to wherever it was going that I can think of, short of meeting a wall of Enclave...and there's not that many Enclave.

You should take a look at Style's theory. He explains how the Barnaky ending could be canon and at the same time have the MWBOS fall on "hard times". All of it makes sense as well too and could be plausible.

In any case, I won't necessarily be disappointed if Fallout 4 doesn't take place in the midwest. But I think sometime they will need to revist Chicago.

I'm not sure I want Fallout 4 in the Commonwealth though. :spotted owl:

As Lou said (and as I said), take a look at Styles theory

There is a game that took place near there ten years ago that kind of has endings like fo nv. When this happens it leaves a massive hole in the overall series story line. That hole must be filled.....

Around 80 fo years 10 real years a game has had no ending.

Plus just throwing a great storyline that could happen with a MWBOS/ MLA/ Enclave Remnants involved plot just seems like a major waste. I see a Fallout 4: Chicago as having the possibility to weave a story better than all previous Fallouts.

And the Commonwealth just seems to me to be a blade-runner reference thats been blown out of proportion.

Hey! What wrong with Blade Runner? I am sure there is more going on in the Commonwealth than chasing droids.

@LT I think Bethesda called tactis canon, had Obsidian mention there is probably some sort of Enclave presence there, had Enclave in mid west bos looking pa, and had Obsidian have Caeser mention what must be mid west bos for a reason. Though it all my just be "bad writing" Bethesda apparently had more to do with fo nv then I thought after watching that interview on the nv general board.

The talk of Chicago and what I think is mid west bos may have been Bethesdas doing.

I would hope they just didn t think it would be cool to change Enclave pa. The fo2 Enclave pa was already cool. Though they did give bos t45b as well. I just hope there is a reason for this.

The time for talk has passed. Now fo4 in Chicago area work must be done.

I really like a lot of Styles little idea for a game in that area.

The main reason I want it will always be because fo tactics has no ending. Until we know what happened with them the story will always need continued. Same with fo nv.......

wtf? commonwealth is not going to be like that dumb movie blade runner

they dont just chase androids all over the wasteland

they do more than that

anyways I couldn't care less where is at

but as long it's urban

Hey. Bladerunner isn't dumb.

I'd be highly disappointed if it took place in Chicago. No more Enclave, no more BoS, for the love of everything holy let's get something new.

I'm well aware of that.



I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Bethesda dramatically changes the art style of their very own TES series with every new installment, why would they treat Fallout any differently?

What exactly? And why is it better than anything in Chicago?

I'm not opposed to the Commonwealth if its done right, but I'm skeptical. If the plot involves "android slaves and the railroad versus the scientists and security of the institute" than I really want nothing to do with it.



Yeah no. Thats exactly what they did. Whether or not they are going to try to come up with a reason for it post-fact is another matter.

And just so people don't have to go looking for it. :foodndrink:

"I really hope the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58 is canon. The story would be awesome. Enclave in Chicago would be a lot like the MWBoS that have started to form a fascist military dictatorship that goes from Chicago to Colorado but the Enclave would have had to change as well. Despite the BoS acting a lot like them they are still impure in the eyes of the Enclave but if the Enclave in the area were smart they could become allies with the BoS.

Way I see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXhuaTcohY fight a bloody war against the Super Mutants and then the Calculator. They force settlements to aid them by giving food, ammo and their best and brightest. Many people do join willingly but the BoS treat them as cannon fodder. The Elders let mutations join because they can be very useful in places humans can't due to radiation.

Vault Zero falls to the BoS and Barnaky becomes one with the Calculator. The BoS are happy to have General Barnaky back. There is a push to make him the head Elder of the MWBoS. The famed warrior (you) who is also a General backs the move to make Barnaky the new head elder, which he does become.

He soon recalls all mutations from the BoS armies and orders them back to their home bases were they are disarmed and tagged, later to be sent to work camps. BoS stops letting mutations join. Laws are passed and any mutation within the BoS' territory is to be rounded up and also sent to camps (work/death camps) which is the start of the great betrayal.

Elders that were most against Barnaky becoming head elder are removed from power. Soon purges happen with in the BoS, anyone that was against Barnaky or seen to aid mutations are also sent to the camps, entire settlement get put to the flame. Soon the Mutant Liberation army forms. BoS caravans and outpost get hit, work camps are liberated, the BoS see a dramatic fall in people willing to join the BoS, and they start having desertions.

Human numbers are replaced more and more by calculator robots and more purges follow fearing an inside job. the BoS stop trying to contact the West in order to get their own house in order.

Biggest blow happens when rouge BoS members set off several bombs within Vault Zero in a failed coup d'état. Many of the calculators systems are damaged beyond repair. Barnaky lives but finds has less control over the robotic forces. He can't control them all at once and the ability to make more robots is severely hampered.

Mutant Liberation Army makes allies with what’s left of the Reaver movement and are supplied with EMP weapons. The remaining slaver/raider groups once again become strong and prey on BoS settlements and outposts.

Decades of bloody Guerrilla warfare against the MLA and the predation of other factions (slavers, raiders) have driven the MWBoS back to their remaining strongholds such as Vault Zero and Cities in between Colorado and Chicago.

Lyons and his BoS are sent out to make contact but don't really know where they are, they know the MWBoS went East, they took a path that takes them away from the MWBoS strongholds at Vault Zero and the others in the Midwest. As Lyons gets closer to DC he hears rumors of people that have similar tech and a symbol are in the area. Lyon spends a long time hunting down those rumors. MWBoS fearing that Lyons is just the tip of a larger army coming up from the south west, do what they can to not be found by them.

Lyons is persistent and soon the MWBoS send out a group of their own elders to make contact. they tell Lyons that MWBoS are just a few hundred men and women close to Chicago. Lyons having made contact goes on to the more important mission of heading to DC.

Like the Barnaky ending states it’s a war the Mutant Liberation Army is distended to lose. MWBoS have seen bitter defeat after bitter defeat for generations and are now a shadow of their glory days but time is on their side. Mutations can't reproduce and the ones that don't fall to the BoS will be taken care of by father time. Humans and fellow BoS that sided with the MLA grow tired of fighting, seeing as how they have crippled the MWBoS and liberated much of their territory. Most just want to settle and farm, the threat is all but gone (so they think). After generations of war the younger generations don't take up the fight.

Maybe the MWBoS will find an ally in Augustus Autumn and his advanced tech can help the MWBoS take back what they lost."

"The hard times" I see for the Midwestern Brotherhood is a decades long war with the Mutant Liberation Army combined with a very paranoid General Barnaky that caused people to turn away from the BoS and rebel against the BoS. Along with Slavers, Raiders and Reavers rebuilding their power and causing problems. The Calculator gets damaged to the Robot Army can't be controlled all at once and new Robots take longer to be built. The Brotherhood are forced back to strongholds across the Midwestern United States.

Midwestern BoS can't produce their own PA so not every member gets one. Only the elite get the best weapons and armour. That is fact.

Enclave after Fallout 2 would have been in bad shape and worse off the Midwestern BoS. Midwestern BoS surround them and make a deal. Help us or die where you stand. Enclave takes the deal and move on to DC. Only a couple dozen scientists are left behind, which they were going to do any way. The Midwestern BoS give the Enclave supplies and a base in exchange for more advanced tech/weapons. Midwestern BoS make sure they are well guarded. When Remnants come back from DC they learn more about the Midwestern BoS under Barnaky and their goals. Some see this as a chance to regain some power. A deal is made for Enclave leaders to become elders and the Enclave to remain independent body with in the Brotherhood ranks. Like I.T guys for the Brotherhood. They help out the scribes and so on developed weapons to fight the enemies of the BoS. The Mutant Liberation army being the most pressing, Enclave leaders now elders start doing what Enclave does best. Become a shadow government with the MWBoS and someday take total control.

Who knows, maybe the Enclave make a deal with Barnaky to help make humanity pure blood again like the Enclave. Maybe that was Augustus' idea all along and why he went against Eden. Maybe he wanted to find a way to make waste landers pure through genetic engineering or breeding. Now he has a willing leader, Barnaky. That is willing to let the Enclave experiment to make humanity pure again, think about it people.

I'd rather see the Commonwealth than return to Chicago because the Commonwealth is fresher and has more potential, there's obviously more to the Commonwealth than the Institute (The Abbey of the Road for example). On the other hand I agree with this, playing as an android would kill the experience for me, and playing as an android in a storyline that ends up being a blatant ripoff of Blade Runner would result in a face palm that would put even Picard to shame.

Yes. The Abbey of the Road is something I did find interesting. Hearing Marcella talk about the place and how they send out missionaries and collect Chrisitian religious artifacts piqued my interest.