Looking for some Stealth/detection/guard mods (and general r

Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:02 pm

Its been maybe a good year since i picked this game up. I've been wanting to jump back in.

First and foremost, i RP stealth characters. Love it... Love love love. One thing thats bothered me is the stealth detection in the game, especially by guards. Its like, once they found the corpse that i shot a minute ago, even if i havnt left stealth, they recognize that its some how mine and will instantly home in on me, even if i'm on a roof on the other side of the map.

I'm hoping that some one can point me to some cool stealth over hauls, and maybe something that modifies how NPC's detect stealth in a more realistic way.

Also, it would be cool if there was something that would make guards more realistic. The no psychic guard mod comes to mind, but i'm just curious if anything better has been made. I always hated when a guard would run up on me acting like he knew that i stole that fork from the dead guys house 2 towns away...


Last, i'm looking to make Oblivion a new experience again. Any sweet over haul mods for combat, or oblivion as a hole? Something to give it a fresh new feel would be sweet, but again i dont know what the good ones are.

Thanks for any aid in my search!

EDIT:

A copy paste set of questions was presented. I found them detailed and useful, so i'm attaching them here in the original post:

Spoiler


Have you played Oblivion already?


I have thousands of hours logged, but its been a few years.

What sort of things interest you?


Theft, Crime, Assassination, Stealth. The dark, dirty, violent side of Cyrodill.

What type of Character do you usually play? (good/evil, theif/mage, roleplayer/random-no-story-hack-and-slasher?)

I'm almost exclusively a stealth character. I like staying in the shadows, and wielding a long sword. I dont mind a quick scuffle or dance. I wield magic as a secondary weapon, to catch my enemies off guard with a sudden burst of spells, or to augment my own fighting capacity (restoration, buffs, night sight, detect life, chameleon.. the works).

I operate quickly and silently, and i like scuffles to be over with quickly. If something looks out of my league, i'll use poisons or other under handed methods to take it down.

Are there specific types of mods you think would interest you? (Quests, graphic mods, gameplay mods, overhauls, etc.)

Obviously, graphic mods. I have a super powerful computer compared to what oblivion needs, so i'm well interested in maxing out its visual capacity.

Gameplay mods are important. I like things that will enhance the skills and tactics that i need to use to do what i do, but only if they pay off for my extra effort.

I would also like something to make the game more... deadly. For every one. Not just me, not just the NPC. Fights to me are more fun when theyre short and brutal, and unforgiving.

When did you leave?

I started fading out of oblivion probably around 2007. I havnt played solidly since 2009.

What did you not like about Oblivion? What did Oblivion not have or need more of?

Guards... The presence of guards was never an issue for me. It was the way the guards behaved that was an issue.

Lack of items and equipment. Variety. Even pointless variety would be nice. I like seeing every one in different gear, using different weapons, good, bad, old, new... I'm certain more then a hand full of materials exist.

Level scaling enemies and rewards. I never liked having to be level 35 to get the best equipment. If i ACTUALLY managed to kill that bandit with ebony armor, he better well give it to me. I dont need my hand held, i know when enough is enough, and when its time to run.

I also hated that guards would chase you 3000 miles across land, sea, desert, and ocean just to kill your ass if you couldnt get away.

Male or female character?


Female. I generally pick up some beautification mods to make the faces/bodies look better, but i'm not particularly interested in explicit or graphic mods. I just like looking good.

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jasminĪµ
 
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Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:46 pm

Reneers Guard overhaul is the biggest one, but back when I tried it was rather finicky and weird. (like run 200 feet outside of town and the guards chasing me and everyone as a whole suddenly forgets my killing spree weird) There have been a number of updates since I stopped using RGO so it's probably much better now.

Hear No Evil is a direct "sequel" to No psychic guards. Personally for bounty management I use a combination of Crime has Witnesses, and One of the Gang (it's a disguise mod)


For stealth in general I saw this mod in the files of the month:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37385
And there's also the stealth list:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1093197-running4covers-list-of-stealth-mods-2nd-thread/

General generic reply to these topics:

Generic copy/paste for these topics. Answer some of the questions in the copy/paste and give some more details and we'll probably be able to help you more if need be.

Also be sure to not get overwhelmed and follow the basic rules.
Go slow
install mods one at a time
Install mods that are well known, and known to be stable. If you really like how an unknown mod made by a first time modder looks go ahead and install it, but be very wary
Get the basic utilities and learn their basic functions: Wrye bash, OBMM, BOSS, OBSE, etc.
Don't get caught in the peer pressure, and advertising of it all. Do some research of your own and get what you want
etc.
Spoiler


Lists and resources for finding many popular mods, and some good mods:
(note the distinction between the two, don't just follow mindless peer pressure, try and make your own opinions and find what you'll like)

List of lists:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?showtopic=1010109
Top 100
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/top/alltime.php
Files of the months:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/filesofthemonth.php
Hall of fame:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=oblivionmods.HOF
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/categories.php, http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/tags/search.php, http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/advancedsearch.php

General help in terms of installing, utilities, workshops, etc.:

http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/
http://www.oblivionmodwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://tesalliance.org/forums/ (Check The Enclave forum, the Oblivion forum, or the Voice actor forum depending on your pursuits)
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/forum/87-iv-oblivion/ (Hardware/software for non mod related issues, Mods for mod users, Construction set for making mods.)


List of topics exactly like yours generic pleadings for "Any mods?" that have already been answered:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1072579-the-any-mods-list-of-topics/
Read the AZERessential topics to get the basic "get wryebash, OBMM, OBSE, start slow" basic advice for starters recommendations

If you want any further help I suggest you tell us about yourself; what you like and what you're looking for... Here's some questions to get you started:

Have you played Oblivion already?
What sort of things interest you?
What type of Character do you usually play? (good/evil, theif/mage, roleplayer/random-no-story-hack-and-slasher?)
Are there specific types of mods you think would interest you? (Quests, graphic mods, gameplay mods, overhauls, etc.)
When did you leave?
What did you not like about Oblivion? What did Oblivion not have or need more of?
Male or female character?



For the occasional "What are your must haves?"
Mostly quest mods: http://kno.li/i

My favorite quests are:
http://theelderscrolls.info/?go=dlfile&fileid=349 (my most favorite)
http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=125368
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21989
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17448
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6977
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6855
Ihttp://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19591


[b]Gameplay mods:


http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25462
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25835
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22894
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25844
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25844
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26196
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18442
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3409
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21862(good for troubleshooting)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20736
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20807
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20371 (Needed for Integration)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22124 (Needed for Integration)

I'm mostly a quest mod player and I recently posted a big rundown for most of them that I've playedhttp://thenexusforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=157600&view=findpost&p=1349075 and http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=924363&topic=51137901.

(Some of these are probably outdated by now)
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=15598757
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1073167&view=findpost&p=15603156
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1073167&view=findpost&p=15602927 (Don't really want a lot top 10's or simple lists but I'm desperate for cop/pastes at the moment)
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1075680&view=findpost&p=15650213

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Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:42 pm

Hey thanks for that. I'll pick through it slowly in a second...

First... that copy/paste questionnaire



Have you played Oblivion already?


I have thousands of hours logged, but its been a few years.

What sort of things interest you?


Theft, Crime, Assassination, Stealth. The dark, dirty, violent side of Cyrodill.

What type of Character do you usually play? (good/evil, theif/mage, roleplayer/random-no-story-hack-and-slasher?)

I'm almost exclusively a stealth character. I like staying in the shadows, and wielding a long sword. I dont mind a quick scuffle or dance. I wield magic as a secondary weapon, to catch my enemies off guard with a sudden burst of spells, or to augment my own fighting capacity (restoration, buffs, night sight, detect life, chameleon.. the works).

I operate quickly and silently, and i like scuffles to be over with quickly. If something looks out of my league, i'll use poisons or other under handed methods to take it down.

Are there specific types of mods you think would interest you? (Quests, graphic mods, gameplay mods, overhauls, etc.)

Obviously, graphic mods. I have a super powerful computer compared to what oblivion needs, so i'm well interested in maxing out its visual capacity.

Gameplay mods are important. I like things that will enhance the skills and tactics that i need to use to do what i do, but only if they pay off for my extra effort.

I would also like something to make the game more... deadly. For every one. Not just me, not just the NPC. Fights to me are more fun when theyre short and brutal, and unforgiving.

When did you leave?

I started fading out of oblivion probably around 2007. I havnt played solidly since 2009.

What did you not like about Oblivion? What did Oblivion not have or need more of?

Guards... The presence of guards was never an issue for me. It was the way the guards behaved that was an issue.

Lack of items and equipment. Variety. Even pointless variety would be nice. I like seeing every one in different gear, using different weapons, good, bad, old, new... I'm certain more then a hand full of materials exist.

Level scaling enemies and rewards. I never liked having to be level 35 to get the best equipment. If i ACTUALLY managed to kill that bandit with ebony armor, he better well give it to me. I dont need my hand held, i know when enough is enough, and when its time to run.

I also hated that guards would chase you 3000 miles across land, sea, desert, and ocean just to kill your ass if you couldnt get away.

Male or female character?


Female. I generally pick up some beautification mods to make the faces/bodies look better, but i'm not particularly interested in explicit or graphic mods. I just like looking good.
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Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:12 pm

definately get reneer's guard overhaul, then sneaking detection recalibrated. done lol. maybe theive's arsenal, duke patricks combat magic/archery and lame/SM, and finally maybe duke patricks new combat mod for the fun while fighting.
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Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:54 pm

Reply to questionnaire answers:


You ever get into quest mods? Can't think of very many stealth/crime type ones that came out recently, but there are some good old ones like:
JQs assassin quest (it's on planet elder scrolls not tesnexus)
Thievery in the imperial city (heads up the last quest is a dungeon crawl and it ends with a cliff hanger)
Malevolent (Forced assassinations and scripted boss fights.)
The Blackwood Company
Dremora companion (two assassination situations)
Blood and Mud (overhauls Bravil's visuals and adds a bunch of quests. It focuses a lot on making the place seedier)


All I can think of of fthe top of my head. The only really recent one I can think of is Dark Brotherhood: Renewed.

Integration may not be a stealth/crime type mod... actually with most of the quests you're doing good deeds, but it does allow for many roleplay options due to a multitude of ways to complete quests, and there are several boss fights where you can take advantage of one or more weaknesses or strategies to take the bosses out underhandly.

SHOUT allows you to get the attention of enemies possibly leading them into a trap, also allows you to call for help and such. Other than that most of the stealth gameplay mods have already been mentioned.

Seeing as how you go for sword with support from magic Conduit Magic might be up your alley (allows you to temporarily enchant you weapons with one of your spells.

As for scaling and item variety FCOM should handle that. If you don't think you're up for the full complexity of FCOM you might try just OOO+MMM

I'm not really familiar with graphics mods, so can't help much there. Maybe start off with OBGE, liquid water, really textured normal maps... uuuhh in general Matthew Kaines blog might be a good place to look for visual stuff:
http://matthewkaine.blogspot.com/

Also I second sean144800's recommendations. LAME/SM should make magic more deadly and Duke patricks mods should make melee/ranged more deadly
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Post » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:23 am

If you just want to emphasize the seedier side of Cyrodiil, try Nernie's mods (http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=866434). I recommend Waterfront Market (The v2 NoShack version), Dirtier Bandits (which I think'll work with OOO and MMM as long as leveled lists are merged with a Bashed Patch), and Bravil River Shack and Village (beautiful extension to Bravil, has patches for Open Cities Reborn and Bravil Barrowfields)

I think most of Waterfront Market and the Bravil mod are also Included in Better Cities, but I can't be sure, as I don't use Better Cities.

I also recommend Thievery in The Imperial City.
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Rob Smith
 
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Post » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:12 am

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35099 make dungeons darker so it will be easier to stay undetected
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