what if "elven armor" means chest and arms, i mean in oblivion the upper body armor piece was called cuirrass. but a cuirrass means the chest piece (am i right) and there where pauldrons attached to the cuirrass.
and what if they mean by armor the cuirrass with pauldrons without greaves... also there where no greaves attached to the armor in the inventory. and in an early interview todd said that every item could fully be viewed in the inventory.
so what would it help if you couldnt look at greaves in your inventory. then you would have to look at it in 3d person. that would be very stupid because in every elder scroll game you could look at your character in the inventory ( have only played morrowind and oblivion so i am not sure).

i think there will be greaves and they will let the pauldrons out

Pauldrons are somehow include ( im sure you've seen this picture somewhere, just reposting it). http://i.imgur.com/vLmyy.png

Makes sense, though I was never one to believe that greaves were combined with cuirass as it doesn't make much sense to do so. As for seeing your character in 3rd person in the inventory, it was also in Daggerfall, I don't know about Arena though.

someone thinks the same! I couldn't understand why everyone thinks this because I see no greaves on the picture.

However someone recently told me it was confirmed in the ps mag... :sadface: haven't read it myself yet though so I can stil hope!

thank you hadnt seen that one yet

Yeah I haven't read that article from the PS mag. but supposedly there were some inaccuracies in it, I don't remember what specifically as many seem to have disregarded the "confirmations" in it. I think one was that all armor pieces were combined into one piece similar to what Fallout 3 had as in a jumpsuit type of thing which was proven wrong with the E3 demo.

OP, your argument makes no sense. Whats worse is I cant believe some people are telling you how you have debunked the statements about no greaves.

Or you know, the armor could be folded, someone said something similar to this, saying that you couldn't see the bottom of the robe in the inventory, but you couldn't see it because it was folded under it(like the robes in OB)

Myself, I believe they are simply displaying the ground model in the inventory. You know in Oblivion when you dropped an iron cuirass only the chest plate was shown but when equipped you had pauldrons, arms and such? Exactly. Im not sure if they have combined cuirasses and greaves but if they have, the reason were not seeing the greaves is its a ground model.

I don't care as long as I can choose different pants from my friggin shirt.

^This

It will be answered in the Q and A.

Depends if theyre willing to talk about the Q & A lol.

This.

And we could only see the top of the robes. Does that mean the top and bottom of robes are separate? Probably not.

I REALLY hope they clear up this whole armour thing. though it does seem that pauldrons are their own thing in the light armoured pictures it seems like the elven armour in the inventory had pauldrons attached and that there were no greaves in the listed pieces of elven. (assuming he had all the pieces) I'm sure I can speak for most of the elder scrolls population when i say I won't be rejoicing in their decision to streamline armour more. I wish we could go back to the golden days of wearing clothes and robes with your armour and looking like a battlemage n' stuff. The mythic dawn pulled it off in oblivion why couldnt we? and whatever happened to there being variations (steel not included) of armour types like all the bonemould variations? But ya anyways... pauldrons

Armor Item seen in inventory is almost certainly not the same 3d object as worn by the character. I have explained why that is.

Inventory object != biped object.

Pauldrouns are stupid i didn't care they were taken out of skyrim, and of course they will include greaves.

Knowing our luck, they have probably chosen such inquiring questions such as "So I heard there are dragons in this game?"

The armor in your link look to be two different kinds of armor:

Studded Leather and Leather.

Uh.... no it doesn't.

Although I'd like to believe this is the case, the fact that they changed it to "armor" makes me susicious, "cuirass" worked fine in Oblivion, so if it covered the same parts as the cuirass in Oblivion why would they change it to "armor", which implies a complete suit?

I guess we won't know until Bethesda confirms it one or or another, though, all we can say right now is that there's an armor slot called "armor", and at least the inventory model for elven armor looks like a cuirass with pauldrons attached but no greaves, and we haven't seen any evidence that greaves are a seperate part, make of that what you will.

What equipable items are called in game may not indicate actual biped slots. Or their slot name. imo refering to the Fallout3 slot system is the best indicator to understand what we have seen in the demo.


When it comes to rigged meshes, ie outfits, it is very likely Inventory mesh != biped model. IMO it is world model you see in the inventory.

I dont know the truth about the armour/greaves debate as yet...

What surprises me about all this is that the group on this forum that is the most vocal about " streamlining and dumbing down" for the casual newby gamer demographic have not jumped onto the simple idea that the new word...armor...is a more common and easliy understood word for the dopey masses than.....cuirass...which implies a bit of knowledge in languages other than english and a bit of understanding of military history...

To sum up....

Armor.....for the dumbasses

Cuirass...for the beardies

Just an observation of mine here folks.

Imo you can't see greaves attached to the cuirass because there are no greaves in the game - merged or separate.
It's just going to be bare legs or pants between the boots and the chest piece judging by videos we've seen.

Which svcks because it's not like anyone ever complained there were too many amour pieces in the game.

This whole armor+pants thing has never bothered me. It may be though that it's because I'm used to playing a archer in Oblivion. In the Dark Brotherhood it's all one huge massive piece. So going up from just suit of armor + helmet to armora and pants + gloves + helmet + boots seems like a lot to me. :tongue:

Personally though it doesn't bother me much, though I'm the sort of person who hates to wear different pants than a shirt, at least when it comes to armor. Clothing is a whole different thing.

That picture that was posted I find interesting. Does anyone else get the impression of a leather harness and then a leather harness + an undershirt?