Artificial Intelligence : IV

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:43 am

After a fair few hours worth of searching I haven't been able to deduce the cause of this, and am resorting to making a thread where hopefully someone who knows better will see it!

So I have pretty much finished a fresh install of modded oblivion (just a few tweaks and things left) but i've been noticing that a lot of the AI just seems plain buggy... Enemies can't figure out how to navigate the pathgrids and just run endlessly into walls (i've checked they are there and working well) - Sometimes during fights they will keep walking into me. Some enemies, like the conjurers from Spell Tomes won't actually be hostile untill I try to interact with them. Fish choose to keep swimming towards me till they beach themselves on land.

Just general stuff like that, really. It doesn't happen all the time - and often things are just fine, but I can't go half an hour without it. I made a video of me on a quick test character going through the starting dungeon and exploring weye. These were the things I found pretty quickly in just 20mins playtime or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwS1kcaAItE

...So yeah, any ideas?

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Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]
02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
05 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
06 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
07 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5]
08 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5]
09 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0A DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0B Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.2]
0C Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]
0D Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0E All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]
0F All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]
++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
10 MIS Low Wind.esp
11 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
12 OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp
13 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]
14 WindowLightingSystem.esp
15 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
16 Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
17 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.7]
18 Living Economy.esp
19 Living Economy - Items.esp
1A Cutthroat Merchants.esp
1B Streamline 3.1.esp
1C DLCHorseArmor.esp
1D DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
1E DLCOrrery.esp
1F DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
20 DLCVileLair.esp
21 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
22 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
23 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
24 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
25 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
26 DLCThievesDen.esp
27 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
28 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
29 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
2A Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
2B Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
2C Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]
2D OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
2E OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
2F Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
30 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
31 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
32 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
33 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
34 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
35 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
36 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
37 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
38 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
39 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
3A DLCFrostcrag.esp
3B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
3C Knights.esp
3D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
3E SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
3F AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.2.COBL]
40 Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
41 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
42 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
43 xulTheHeath.esp
44 MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
45 XulEntiusGorge.esp
46 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
47 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
48 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
49 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
4A xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
4B xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
4C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
4D xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
4E xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
4F xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
50 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
51 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
52 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
53 xulPantherRiver.esp
54 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
55 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
56 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]
57 RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.4]
58 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
59 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
5A xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5B xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
5C xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5D OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
5E xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]
5F xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0]
60 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
61 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
62 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
63 Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
64 NoBackwardsRunning.esp
65 nGCD.esp
++ nGCD Birthsigns.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]
66 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
67 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
68 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
69 bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
6A bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
6B bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
6C bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 1.0]
6D Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.9.5]
6E Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5]
6F Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.7.0]
70 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.7.0]
71 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.7.0]
72 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.7.0]
73 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
74 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]
++ Disable Tutorial Text.esp
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
75 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
76 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]
77 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Any other information you'd like to hear just ask! Thanks very much.

Edit: I feel I should probably mention i'm not using Cbash, so its not that.

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:23 am

Have you tried to set "AI: Max Active Actors" and "Combat: Max Actors" in Tweak settings while rebuilding patch?

I've got the same problem with CBash off, but I think that's because I'm using FCOM with WAC.
anyway, I need to find more time to have a better check.

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:20 pm

Have you tried to set "AI: Max Active Actors" and "Combat: Max Actors" in Tweak settings while rebuilding patch?

I've got the same problem with CBash off, but I think that's because I'm using FCOM with WAC.
anyway, I need to find more time to have a better check.

Thanks for the suggestion! Doesn't seem to have any effect, though. Doesn't MMM change the settings already?

I should probably mention that I did find this thread the other day:
http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/317507-fcom-ai-pathfinding-issues/

Which was an issue I was having, too. E.g at the Anvil docks NPcs would just jump into the water and ignore all pathgrids, then get stuck swimming into walls - but I've since fixed that.

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:31 am

I'm not going to be much help here (I dont use a lot of the mods you have) but I do recall a conversation within the last couple of month with the same problems, someone will probably pop in remembering the same but have a search for npc + path + fish (I just tried and cant put my mouse on it ... sorry)

What I do recall is it was an easy fix and down to one mod.

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:06 am

I'm not going to be much help here (I dont use a lot of the mods you have) but I do recall a conversation within the last couple of month with the same problems, someone will probably pop in remembering the same but have a search for npc + path + fish (I just tried and cant put my mouse on it ... sorry)

What I do recall is it was an easy fix and down to one mod.

Thanks! It wasn't the thread over on the nexus forums I linked to in my previous post, by any chance?

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:24 pm

No, I hardly participate on TESNexus forums. It was here on gamesas.

» Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:49 pm

No, I hardly participate on TESNexus forums. It was here on gamesas.

Heh, okay good to know - well i've done a bunch more digging with those search tags in mind but still no dice.

Guess I just gotta hold out for someone else to know whats up.