So while playing New Vegas it struck me i think it would be awesome for Obsidian to make another game in the Fallout series, a potential plot device could be an Ncr civil war plot,while playing New Vegas
you will notice the doctor in Camp MCcaran remarks that the Ncr will run out of food in around 10 years and won't be able to feed its rapidly growing population coupled with the fact that Ncr citizens are already burdened by extreme taxes the ncr government imposes on them they will struggle to afford food and water this would lead to food riots and armed resistance amongst the various Ncr towns and cities.The Ncr would probally have to pull their army out of
the mojave and abandon Hoover Dam,this would allow the legion time to recover considering the NCR ending for New Vegas is canon which im 90 percent sure it is,due to the ending for Fallout 2 being that of the Ncr's.So with the Ncr fighting its own people the legion would strike into Ncr territory also the Shi considering they still exist and weren't absorbed would also take advantage of the situation and attack.You could have all sorts of awesome scenarios with an Ncr civil war, such as maybe the grandson of an ex Enclave member who leads a rebel faction of fascist Ncr soldiers and civilians who hate mutants set up death camps etc to exterminate them paralleling ww2.You could pit the fascist Ncr against a communist Ncr political party paralleling soviet union vs Nazi Germany just a plot device for the brilliant developers at Obsidian to take a look at because i would very much like to see another game from you after Fallout 4 and note to the admins this is not fallout 4 speculation so please kindly do not lock thanks.

It would add a lot of stuff, but I doubt that there would be a fascist group and a communist group as the NCR was set up on the idea of old world politics and stuff like that. So the side with the president would have the army and their republic, while the other side could be communist treating everyone equally.

Reminds me of Metro 2033, the whole Post-Nuclear Nazi VS Post-Nuclear Commie thing.


Metro: 2285.

I would not like it. There is nothing in New Vegas that gave me the impression that NCR was facing the threat of civil war. People need to remember that the Mojave does not reflect what is happening in the rest of NCR. We learn of problems NCR has but nothing that would cause NCR to fall apart and fight a civil war.

A food shortage and heavy taxation aren't significant of anything? Sorry to say, Styles, but you can't will away starving poor folk.

Sounds pretty awesome im up for it.

Assumptions dear Marko, assumptions.

Where in New Vegas does it give how much people are taxed? Did you not happen to notice that the only people hating the taxes were the people of the Mojave? they went from paying nothing to paying an unknown amount of money to NCR in tax. One thing I know about American's they don't like paying one damn cent more in tax, even if it means America will collapse around them. Raising taxes for any reason makes them pissed off. That is how I see the people of the Mojave. For all we know NCR is only asking them to pay 5% in tax. I pay 41% in tax in one way or another.

Food shortage, we don't know how bad it is. Granted we learn somethings that would show it not being sufficient for NCR's needs but not at the point were people rebel. Now remember a rebellion isn't always the same as an all out civil war. Some areas/people may rebel but I doubt half of NCR would. Brother vs Brother type stuff. NCR still has large brahmin herds.

I know a lot of people who actually LIKE paying taxes, gladly and willingly giving their money to support their country, in fact, most of the people I met when I went to visit my aunt and uncle in Florida were happy to pay taxes, tons of people in the South are glad to pay taxes.

We also don't know if the citizens benefit from the taxes either. The real rub is the NCR is a foriegn power that just walks in and says "Your NCR and now you owe us taxes" Thats what ticks the Mojave off.
As to how much the taxes are. One bit of evidence is if you get NCR military protection for Primm, Nash starts charging you more because of it. (and less if you got Myers). From Cassidy we can gather the NCR does hae some heavy taxiation that makes it harder for the smaller merchant companies to compete. Goodsprings ending mentions people being forced to move on due to NCR taxation, so clearly are not pocket change.

That being said I agree without we've seen nothing to indicate the NCR is headed for a full scale civil war. Certain states or territories rebelling against NCR rule is another matter.

fair enough. I should not have painted everyone with the same brush. But you got to admit many campaigns for government office are often lost when a person brings up the idea of raising taxes. After all America fought a war for independence over taxes. "Read my lips, no new taxes." Then lost when he raised taxes.

Well something more would have to happen but if House or Legion wins in NV then yes, I would very much like to see a civil war happen.

Why would that cause a civil war?

Legion win it would just give NCR even more power over it's people. "The barbarians are in our back yard. We need your full support to fight them." Losing the Mojave IMO to the Legion would be NCR's = to Pearl Harbour. It will finally get NCR to pull it's head out of it's ass and take off the kids gloves and deal with the Legion once and for all.

Mr.House is a different matter, I just don't see it causing a civil war.

Just because a country's in turmoil does not mean a civil war is going to happen. A civil war arises from a conflict of interest of two groups within a country. And regardless, the Mojave is not indicative of the state of the NCR at large, which is probably the most stable post-war government in Fallout.

I never met anyone who likes paying taxes. Now I understand the need for taxes to run a country but when the government starts raising them to much then people get pissed. Like in Chicago the taxes here are to much and alot of people are moving out of the city, if they want them back then they should start with lowering these god-damn taxes :banghead:

With Mr House winning the NCR is kept bleeding with even heavier taxes put on it's citizens to make up for what they lost.
The expense of the war has become so much that the people who cannot keep up with the taxes, which is the majority, are tired of it and starts a revolution.
At that point the actual government is split into two sides, one which tries to maintain control as it were and to put everyone back on their leash and the other who wants change and are on the peoples side.
The two don't clash well so a war between NCR and the revolutionists starts.
I find it plausible to happen.

And with Legion winning, well, NCR turns into a far more darker nation slowly becoming just like the Legion just so that they can hold them off when the third battle happens.
With it's people fearing Legion they want to get out, go south or north or maybe even try to join the Legion, but the NCR won't let them, they are held back under gun watch and force their people to work for minimum wager in order to mass produce new weapons and armors and stimpacks, and those who don't do the physical work are drafted into the military.

So Legion winning, no, no civil war I guess.
But House, for sure.

Regional differences, I guess, taxes are lower in the South, and people actually pay them happily, and are glad to support the country. So what does that mean? Lower taxes is urban areas to spur patriotism, which creates unity and helps further the society, take notes, gub'mint, I'm takin ovah.

OP I got the food part, but I did not get anything else you are saying out of fo nv. Plus, I could go several fo games without seeing the west coast again. There is way too much of the U.S. that has not been covered, and Canada as well.

Im not really sure a game revolving around an NCR civil was would be that fun anyway.

Well I think somebody mentioned the taxes skyrocketed because of all the money needed on the Mojave Cmapaign, if it all turned out a waste of time and money I'd rebel from my government too...

And then there are many services that you willl not recieve, like water, ro electricity.

Anyways your tax rate is not nearly as high as Styles. Yours is 10.25 or something liek that and here in Canada it is far higher, so pleaseeeeee, dont say Americans are overburdened with taxes.

1. I would think think that the NCR will have a civil war because it was stated multiple times in New Vegas
2. I'm Pretty sure that Mr.House ending is Canon because of a couple of reasons I did a poll on this subject and Mr.House had the majority of votes. another reason is that the platinum chip is a pretty big thing in the game and in NCR's Quest line it doesn't mean anything. Also Mr.House is the first Pearson u talk to out of all the endings people. lastly i'm pretty sure with all the info the developers were releasing before the game was done. back when they thought about having only one/2 quest line they thought about mr.house quest line and possibly Yes Mans. So No I don't think NCR's quest line will become canon
3. NCR is Neither Fascist nor Communist they're either capitalist or a socialist style of government

alright in my attempt to stop the argument in this post yes its possible that a civil wont happen if u were thinking like these factions are real its possibly not likely. But in New Vegas multiple characters say that civil war might happen or as Marcus put it for example revolution so yeah in the developers mind they might do this because if it does happen in New Vegas with those characters they used Foreshadowing. so yes it could happen there's alot of evidence that supports that theory but it could also not happen and everyone will be fine with the NCR for the most part because there's evidence for that too so in the end it's the developers choice so no use in fighting each other over a game that hasn't even began in development yet.

So please stop the fighting and give up because there really is no wining in THIS argument.