In terms of brute strength, I THINK this would be the right order:

1) Orc
2) Nord
3) Redguard
4) Khajiit
5) Dark Elf
6) Imperial
7) Argonian
8) Breton
9) High Elf
10) Wood Elf

From strongest (brute strength) is this right? What would you say?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races Refer to Strength Chart.

I'm shocked. Breton's look one of the weakest, yet they are on par with Khajiits and Imperials! I'm also shocked Orcs weren't no.1 either. I always though Nords and Redguards would be SLIGHTLY behind Orcs because Orcs have a kind of animalistic brutality about them.

1. Nords
2. Orcs
3. Redguards
3. Imperials
3. Argonians
3. Dunmer
3. Khajiit
3. Breton
3. Altmer
3. Bosmer

Obviously Nords and Orcs would be stronger, but otherwise I don't think there would be much difference for the rest of the races. And that doesn't take into account genetics, line of work, etc. An Altmer Crusader who spends days in heavy armor would be stronger than a Nord mage physically.

EDIT: UESP means nothing. Game mechanics mean nothing in lore.

Thats very interesting Sir

I was thinking in Lore terms, which would be stronger on brute strength alone. I think the big 3 are Nords, Redguards and Orcs. I just had this feeling (mainly because of how they look/the beserker rage effect) that Orcs would be the strongest, with Nords just behind them (Nords are seriously tough looking, esp marauders). Redguards are also robust and have a sturdy appearance.

So what do you think? Is this even mentioned in the Lore/writings?

Nords are as close to pure strain humanity in the Elder Scrolls as you can get, and Orcs are corrupted Elves. It at least always seems to me that Men in the Elder Scrolls universe are always stronger, physically, than Mer.

And I don't really see any reason for Redguards to be stronger than any other races. They are more adept Warriors than other races but that doesn't necessarily mean they are physically stronger than other races.

Well, imo Orcs and Nords are pretty close in terms of physical brutality appearance. I gave it 51/49 in favour of Orcs but I could see a one-on-one match going pretty much either way between them. A bit like a Grizzly vs a Polar Bear. Polar Bears are marginally bigger than Grizzlies but a Grizzly COULD still win in a battle.



But compared to what we have in game, I'd say Redguards are logically AT LEAST 3rd strongest. Quite a few of the races look average to weak imo. There's quite a few mage based characters, like Bretons and Altmers and they look the weakest.

I'd say Nords in all honestly. But to each their own.




You can't take what you see in game in terms of lore. Just because Bretons are naturally adept at magic doesn't mean they aren't strong physically. They are a mix race between the Aldmer and Nedes. (Nords and Altmer for all intents and purposes.) Redguards are a whole different strain of men, they came from a different continent than the Nedes. Imperials are closely related to the Nords as well, just with a slight more Elven influence, meaning they are quite possibly close to or equal to Redguards. Basically, the races are so close you can't rank them. And the beast races are a whole different monster. Argonians come from trees and we know literally nothing about their physiology, and Khajiits are changed Bosmer.

If I had to rank them:

1. Nords
2. Orcs
3. Reguards
3. Imperials
4. Argonians (shot in the dark)
4. Bretons
5. Dunmer
5. Khajiit
5. Bosmer
6. Altmer

How? I am finding that hard to believe, please tell me where you got that info from. Khajiits are cat people not Wood Elves.



Wood Elves stronger than High Elves? I disagree. Wood Elves are tiny! Not as short as Imps but almost lol.

From The Imperial Library



It's a theory, I meant they are just elven in general, not specifically wood elves.




Well, it's so close the difference is practically none. But the Bosmer live much harder lives. Besides, being short just means they have more muscle per square inch.

My character is perhaps one of the weakest individuals in Cyrodiil. So much so that she doesn't even bother trying to use a melee weapon of any kind. She is quite intimidated by strong brutes. Here are the top three brutes, in order, on her 'OMG I'm gonna pee myself ' scale:

Orc - she perceives them as almost unstoppable. It doesn't help that they have FANGS!

Nord - massive giants, but not as scary as the Orc.

Redguard - Maybe not quite as powerful as the other two, but they more than make up for it in speed and agility. Deadly like a doberman.

:dance:

Meet http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Vanguard/Characters. He's a thieftank. He's a powerhouse, despite being considered one of the "weakest" races.

Race doesn't matter. How you build them does.

Nahh, physically I'm sure Argonians are stronger than elves of all kind. (except Orcs.)

Ok thanks for the quote parts, interesting. Which book in-game did you get that from?? what page??

Also, the elf races resemble each other to a degree and are even voiced in-game by the same person. I think Khajiits are more of a ''beast race'' so surely they have a different blood line? I wonder if any more info on Khajiits would reveal their true origins?




I always thought the Wood Elves seemed physically quite frail. Just the first impression I got when I played, I guess it stuck.

Good description

btw, I think I read that you make short stories revolving around your character. Where are these? I think I remember enjoying the stories you wrote a few months back (before I joined here I used to read and lurk).

It's not from an in-game book. :laugh:

Take that with a grain of salt. Oblivion failed majorly on diversifying the races. Those three races look and sound way different really. Play Morrowind.

There isn't really anything else they could have came from. :shrug:

If we are speaking of danger in fighting, I'd be much more scared of a Nord. Orcs are more intimidating, but Nords are way more magically inclined and smarter. Fighting a dark elf would be scary as well, just due to how balanced they are between war disciplines. And to take that one even farther, I'd be more scared of fighting a Dunmer ashlander rather than a civilized Great House Dunmer. The Ashlanders are ruthless.

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Where is it from? Link?



I did. I just gave up on it after Oblivion came out though. Oblivion is x100 better.



But the passage you quoted was wishy washy. It didn't seem like it ''knew'' exactly where they originated from. It was all guess work. I want some real answers to this question, there must be some.



Like I said before, I think Nords are very tough/imposing. I think Nords and Orcs are pretty evenly matched, but my call only went like 1% in favour of Orcs because I don't like being undecided on the toughest race, so had to make a decision. Orcs have a more intimidating stance and look marginally bigger (very marginally) than Nords. That's why I went with them on Brute strength. But it's a tough call. A bit like a Grizzly vs a Polar Bear or German Shepherd vs Doberman. Could go either way.

ok

If you played it why would you think the elves all have the same voices and look the same?

:shakehead: Boy you are really missing out. That's all I gotta say on that subject. There is 10x more to the Dunmer than is presented in Oblivion, and needless to say you are missing out on an extremely unique culture that Oblivion does nowhere near the justice. Not to mention an extremely interesting people. And you learn a lot about lore from that game too. You don't get the whole picture with just one game.

A close minded attitude like a game being x100 times better really makes you miss good games. I like Morrowind more but Oblivion is fun in its own right, but justice isn't served to the Elder Scrolls as a franchise if you just play one game.

As for the Khajiits, I don't know what else to tell you. Go look in the lore forum, I'll start quoting people from there that know what they're talking about that have said Khajiit are indeed Elven, if that would be proof?

I kinda got bored with Morrowind and had only played it for about a month before Oblivion came out. I had a quick look to see if Oblivion was better (and it was) so I ended up putting Morrowind to one side. I haven't actually played Morrowind in 4 years lol and I have misplaced it somewhere but have no desire to even look for it. I think my brother threw it in the trash lmao



But Oblivion is meant to be bigger and (I think) much more updated than Morrowind. Oblivion is like the BEST game I've ever played too.



Oblivion has loads of books though so lore is obviously important right?



The best proof for me would be from Bethesda themselves. I'm assuming they wrote the back story of the Khajiit but I dont know where an extensive explanation of them can be found. Any ideas??

You are missing out, honestly.



They are the same size and "updated" is subjective. It was updated in some aspects but "downgraded" in others. Like I said its a fresh experience if you get past graphics. (which good graphics are so overrated)



They both add books. But some books aren't in both games, and books aren't the only sources of lore. Culture is important, and Morrowind provides an extremely in depth look at Dunmer culture. Like I said, you should play both games if you truly want to learn about lore. I'd say the same thing to someone who's only played Morrowind, before any extremely devoted people jump on me.




Why? Bethesda never comes right out and says anything. anolysis from the lore forum is the best you get.