How many nukes were dropped?

Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:56 am

The Megaton nuke was 200 years old, nukes have to be kept carefully maintained, or their nuclear-ness doesn't work.
Megaton was probably just a bomb, no nuke about it.


Ja you wouldnt expect the residents to live for very long if there was a derelect nuclear bomb at the center of their town. But, the water by the bomb is radiated, and quite strongly so when you drink from it, so its hard to tell.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:24 am

However, the megatons were halved to 50mt inorder to reduce the nuclear fallout.


I have read this too, but wonder if it came to Nuclear war, wouldn't they load them up again?
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:46 am

I have read this too, but wonder if it came to Nuclear war, wouldn't they load them up again?

Im not sure, at the end of the day, nuking your enemies only to eventually suffer yourselves from the nuclear fallout effects seems stupid. But then again theres not much intelligence in dropping a fireball of innocent civillians, so who knows.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:57 am

You guys are so anol. We are not supposed to think of it.

Every country launched EVERY single bomb they had randomly anywhere, and so did the nuclear powers, they launched like mad all their nuke.

So maybe 1 or 2 in the capital wasteland, but hundreds across the US.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:50 am

Ultimately this is a fantasy game, so it is pretend and therefore anything is plausible
<--- trying not to be too anol
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Post » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:19 pm

Some definition:
Mega - million
ton - 2000 lbs (US)

1 Magaton = 1,000,000 X 2000 = 2 Billion pounds of TNT equivalent

Curernt larget Nuclear bomb is the Russian Tsar Bomba at 100 Megatons or 100 billion pounds of TNT

Only 5 or 6 of these would wipe out humanity either directly or through radiation sickness or nuclear winter. Its no joke.

Sorry to be off topic.

Actually, the Tsar Bomba had only 50 megatons to reduce nuclear fallout.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:58 am

If you ever manage to find the white house. Explain to me how only half of it got detryoed? And when you get inside theres is like 6-9 rads a second, making it seem like a bomb hit the white house. Showing that they are alot weaker.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:40 am

its a video game, fallouts nukes are weaker, and yes, nuclear war is very possible in our world to the scale of fallouts world, but much worse. less life, uninhabitable surface.
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Post » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:39 pm

The Megaton bomb seemed to be roughly the size of the Hiroshima bomb


No, the Megaton bomb is modeled on the "Fat Man" bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Either way, the destruction and lingering radiation 200 years later in F3 is unrealistic, everyone knows it, it's just a video game, etc.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:09 am

No, the Megaton bomb is modeled on the "Fat Man" bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Either way, the destruction and lingering radiation 200 years later in F3 is unrealistic, everyone knows it, it's just a video game, etc.


radiation is actually quite long-lived. the soil from hiroshima is still radiated, they had to clean it up for 50 years, then drop it into the ocean.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:23 am

Where does it say anywhere that the Megaton bomb was "1 Megaton"?

A 1 megaton nuclear blast would have been enough to kill everything within a few miles and given everything within ten miles second degree burns all over their bodies, not forgetting the radiation.

This thread is trying to think too hard. It's quite clear that nuclear bombs in the Fallout world are significantly less powerful but much greater in quantity.


The current theory is that when the Megaton bomb detonates, instead of a full-fledged explosion it just "fizzles" - but a bomb with that much power, even a fizzle is very destructive.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:16 am

the megaton bomb is an undetenated nuke as you're told in the game right?? So thats your average fallout nuke and wasnt like a lot of the world nuked?
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:41 am

Our worlds split in the 50s. Prior to the 50s, they were the same.

Thus, their megaton is exactly the same as our megaton.
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Post » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:12 pm

Well, here's the thing. You're not supposed to think about it...
Why not? Traditionally the series had the utmost respect for Nukes, Fallout had only one in the whole game (as did Fallout 2). Fallout 3 had to have one too... but then it also has a ridiculous amount of them scattered all over the wastes, in sheds, and janitor closets no less. :facepalm:


The Glow was pretty confusing to me too. The crater is pretty small but it has taken out quite a large facility, based on the hole the facility's collapse made.
Bunker Buster.


Ultimately this is a fantasy game, so it is pretend and therefore anything is plausible
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:42 am

well actually the radiation will dissapate but it just takes a long time, about 200 years you would see most of the radiation dissapate since the most common form of nuclear weaponry is the tactical nukes used in submarines (I might be wrong but thats what I have heard alot) but we are talking about Fo3 and if you have explored fort constatine it gives you an idea just how many might have been used. my opinion is that it doesnt really matter how many were dropped considering the theme of the game is POST apoclyptic not pre apoclyptic.


Thats propoganda. Most nukes in a sub are most likely tactical nukes, but most nukes in the US arsenal are under the AF (2/3). About half of those are dropped from aircraft, and the rest are ICBMs. Most are Hydrogen bombs...

Anyways, the FO bombs are scaled down because the maps are scaled down. Its safe to say the cities in FO are much bigger then the in-game representation is and the bombs cause much more damage. Imagine if those bombs were stronger then the ones we would have know? Then your character would die on TP Tower if he chose to blow up Megaton...
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:06 am

Why not? Traditionally the series had the utmost respect for Nukes, Fallout had only one in the whole game (as did Fallout 2). Fallout 3 had to have one too... but then it also has a ridiculous amount of them scattered all over the wastes, in sheds, and janitor closets no less. :facepalm:


The Mini Nukes aren't the nukes we're talking about. We're talking about the Fatman-style bombs that blew up the world. (Of course, there are several in FO3. The one in Megaton, and the large pile of them in the military storage facility....... which you can't set off, btw. I fired all sorts of weapons into those things to see if they'd go off. Yay, save files! :D)
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:17 am

Imagine if those bombs were stronger then the ones we would have know? Then your character would die on TP Tower if he chose to blow up Megaton...

Now that would have impressed me :tops:

Especially that Burke, Tenpenny, and your PC knew nothing of the power of what they'd unleashed, and burned up in the blast.

(better still, had the PC had a high enough Science rank, give the option to understand the result, and talk your way out of being there when they detonate :evil:).

The Mini Nukes aren't the nukes we're talking about. We're talking about the Fatman-style bombs that blew up the world. (Of course, there are several in FO3. The one in Megaton, and the large pile of them in the military storage facility....... which you can't set off, btw. I fired all sorts of weapons into those things to see if they'd go off. Yay, save files! :D)
Indeed.
~But my quote was at the suggestion that we're not supposed to think about it. (unrealistic damage)
IE. because its 'just a game'.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:09 am

If you all wanted to read something interesting I would suggest http://www.oism.org/nwss/... It is a Nuclear War Survival Skills book written in 1987 or so and I found it quite interesting. I must say, this is going to sound evil, but I was kinda disappointed in how un-epic a nuclear war in real life would have been in comparison to everything we have been lead to believe by the media over the years. Also kinda disappointed in the US's defense decisions but w/e.
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Post » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:35 pm

As far as I know there are still pockets of radiation around Hiroshima and the other city that got bombed.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:50 am

if fallouts bombs were as strong as the real thing, there would be very little life in the wasteland, if any. radiation at lethal levels would be everywhere and radiation doesnt just clean itself up.


Actually it does clean up by itself. Basic physics radio active material something called half life, most of radioactive material created by nuclear weapons has very short half life so short term radioactivity drops fast, to about 1/2000th in about 24 hours in case of air blast. Long term fallout is another thing... whole different ball game.

Type of bomb and type of blast are determining factors in fallout.

A very short primer on nuclear weapons and warfare:

There are two basic types of nuclear weapons technical sense fission and fusion devices. Fission bomb creates energy with fission of heavy material like plutonium or uranium, it's dirty and leaves long time radioactive material around. Fusion device always have fission bomb as primary stage as it's energy output is needed to create conditions needed for fusion of light material like hydrogen. Most of isotopes that form in fusion are short term radioactive material so fusion bomb is relatively clean when it's yield is considered. Most of

Then there is combinations of those two principles, witch make up most of nuclear armament of all but new nuclear armed countries. First most of fission devices are in reality boosted fission devices that have small amount of fusion material in those to increase neutron count and boost yield a lot. Then most most of fusion devices are so called three stage weapons or Fission-Fusion-Fission bombs. F-F-F use fission primary stage to create conditions needed for fusion, then fusion to create roughly under 50% of energy and natural uranium tamper as outer shell, natural uranium doesn't fission in normal circumstances but fast neutrons created by fusion makes that possible and last fission stage makes up usually over 50% of yield. F-F-F bomb is dirty. Then there is two other types of nuclear weapons neutron bomb and "salted" bomb. Neutron bomb is basically tamperless fusionbomb that doesn't stay in one piece as long as it would take create big blast but to create lot of initial radiation, those were dubbed capitalist bombs in 80's as they kill people and troops but do less physical damage. Salted bombs are F-F-F bombs that contain selected materials that create suitable resultant materials to create as much as possible fallout, gold could when added to nuclear weapon would make radiation more severe for few days longer... cobalt could make radiation far worse for far longer periods. Salted bombs were designed to make more fallout.

Nuclear deterrence in essence worked on so called MAD principle, that comes from mutually assured destruction. During cold war strategic planners of both west and soviets had little obsession known as overkill, they made their plans little bit on side of screwing up is normal or something. Most of nuclear targets were overkilled by launching at least couple nukes on almost all targets, all sorts of mishaps can happen in launching an intercontinental ballistic missile: Doors of launch silos might have malfunctions, in US plans that took out almost 10% of US ICBM's. Then in flight inertial guidance of missile could fail. Engine of missile could fail. Or finally near target another own nuke to nearby or same target could destroy that nuke, fratricide effect. Another thing that might worth considering is that practically no nuke had be targeted in civilian targets like cities, there is plenty of military targets in most of big cities. In New York Soviets identified dozen military targets: ports, air ports and railway stations and highways feeding those. Those all would be used in case of war by military logistics to move war material and troops to front lines. New York would have been wiped out in case nuclear war dozen or two dozen times just as collateral damage.

On even more basic kind there are two kinds of nuclear weapons: tactical and strategic. Strategic nukes are big and used against strategic targets. Tactical nukes are used against tactical targets like batalions in front lines, tactical nukes are normally far smaller than bombs used on Japan at end WWII. Those were about 12 (Hiroshima) and 20kt (Nagasaki) in yield. Typical tactical nuke is from 0.1kt to 1kt, biggest of tactical nukes are usually up to 10kt. Modern strategic nukes are from 100 to 750kt in yield. In 50's and 60's bigger bombs were made and tested, those become obsolete as missile accuracy has evolved.

Type of blast used would depend on type of target. There are basically five kinds of nuclear explosions: high altitude burst, air burst, partial ground burst, ground burst and subterranean burst. All of those have their own tactical application. Air bursts would be used against area targets like normal military bases, troop concentrations, logistical targets and cities in case of counter strike. Hard targets like leadership bunkers and nuclear missile bases would require ground blasts to destroy, those create always far worse radiological threat than air bursts as. Partial ground burst is something that would happen due to accidents, mostly weapon system failures, fire ball created by bomb would touch ground. High altitude bursts would be used against strategic communication, electronic sensor systems and electric networks, to destroy those or to disable those via electro magnetic pulse.

Back to fallout issues....

There is basically two radiological threats created by use of nuclear weapon. Initial radiation, it's very deadly but doesn't last for long. Basically staying in basemant for few hours or days, if you aren't in killed in blast, would make the difference in this case. Long term radiation is another matter, there weren't good modeling on how long term fallout would effect on life. Just more or less hypotetical studies, where scale of events could be anything from minor to apocalypse. Current knowledge over lethal doses of radiation is more or less spotty, as far as it has been proven some people die from certain radiation doses, others don't. That has gone that way in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and in Chernobyl. Most people would die from exposure, but there are some guys that were in reactor building in Chernobyl and are still very much alive. Reality is that we know that much that we don't really reliably know.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:47 am

I've seen quite a few craters in the Capital Wasteland, not to mention the giant one in the middle of the White House.

Definitely more than one.
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:20 am

Not the meaning of how much, but HOW POWERFUL! Little people in Europe know there is a cloud of nuclear radiation above us from just the cheyrnobyl incident nearly 30 years ago. So think how much radiation they'd be from a nuke, and yes more then one, some undetonated (megaton).
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Post » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:42 am

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