Simplfication, this is a simplification : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:24 am

I′m so tired to see how the best sagas are completely destroyed. Are you going to defend Bethesda until they ruin ES sagas? Don′t you really see they are ruining the game. DON′T GET ME WRONG, I really want to be wrong, I really want a new Elder Scrolls, but
I′m not a fan boy, when I have to criticize the game I do it.

I love Oblivion. I still play it. I play it with a lot of mods. I love Morrowind, I also still play it, and also with a lot of mods. Oblivion was more simplified than Morrowind. Removal of skills, removal of depth, the addition of quest markers, fast travel... But it was still a great game. And with mods it is the best game I′ve ever played, but we cannot let modders do all the work. And now Skyrim has, 3 skills removed! Are we going to see an Elder Scrolls with only two skills, combat and magic?

Removal of three skills is a simplification, removal of the attributes is a simplification, mantaining the fast travel is a simplification, simplifying armor system is of course a simplification. Do you know how many hour did I spend getting all the pieces of my glass armor in Morrowind?

C′mon guys, stop defending Bethesda, they don′t do everything all right, they make mistakes. I know you consider ES games best saga forever, I also do it.

Okay, now, you can kill me, you can call me hater, you can call me spammer...But I know that I′m not wrong, or probably this is not may day...

We also agree in that. Skyrim remains my most anticipated game of 2011. I′m prebuying it.

That might be the problem.

Again, that′s the point.

Have you realized how easy Oblivion is? Have you realized that adding difficulty in Oblivion means something as simple as "make enemies stronger".

C′mon, don′t you want a bit of difficulty like for example places that are difficult to find, finding objects, difficult quests...In Oblivion, quest were only a matter of time.

Isn′t FCOM and OOO one of the most downloaded mods? These mods add complexity, guys.

One simple reason for all the simplifications :

Consolle easy play ....

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:02 am

No, it's exactly the opposite. The one thing we know for sure and don't have to make assumptions about are the features that we lost. No spears means no spears, no greaves means no greaves, no racial differences in running speed means no racial differences in running speed. Those are the facts. Anything afterwards that tries to justify these simplifications is an assumption.

Okay, but, instead of looking at it in a completely pissy way, why not try to actually understand the changes and their motives? The removal of the three skills truly mean nothing to me... As for the armor, sure, Morrowinds system would have been nice but is in no means a necessity. I would gladly take better designed and varying armor than a few distinct suits from which you may strip your pants. And there are many other racial differences aside from "running speed" which is definitely a deal-breaker for me... Why soooo much negativity and complaining...? :shrug:

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:42 am

I hate these fatalist threads.
Everyone here, literally everyone will enjoy the game.

And I imagine there will be those that will say they do not enjoy the game, yet continue to play it for 200+ hours.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:21 am

No, it's exactly the opposite. The one thing we know for sure and don't have to make assumptions about are the features that we lost. No spears means no spears, no greaves means no greaves, no racial differences in running speed means no racial differences in running speed. Those are the facts. Anything afterwards that tries to justify these simplifications is an assumption.

What about all the stuff they added? We've learned of many new features the past 7 months since the world exclusive GI cover reveal.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:57 am

Has any one yet seen two people with same exact armor on, I think the only two I've seen with the same exact armor was the leather armor but every thing else look very different and some upgraded, same bottom, different tops, it might just be me though.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:51 am

What about all the stuff they added? We've learned of many new features the past 7 months since the world exclusive GI cover reveal.

I think I did this in another thread, I listed all the new and improved features and all the 'common' dissapointments. There was two large paragraphs I think covering the new and improved stuff and about a sentence or two for the bad stuff lol.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:48 am

No, it's exactly the opposite. The one thing we know for sure and don't have to make assumptions about are the features that we lost. No spears means no spears, no greaves means no greaves, no racial differences in running speed means no racial differences in running speed. Those are the facts. Anything afterwards that tries to justify these simplifications is an assumption.

No spears to be used, and people will still have pants on, come on, it's the slot that is gone, not the greaves themselves.

Baldur's gate didn't have greaves slots, let's not overplay the consequences of this one.

And no racial difference in running speed does not mean no racial differences, it is the racial differences that are important, and running speed is not exactly the place where that difference will be most enjoyable and interesting. We know that races will have different starting skill levels, and we know that they are trying to make the races more distinct from each other.

» Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:50 pm

We get much better visual results combining those pieces, and it renders a lot faster too, so we can put more people on screen, so that was an easy tradeoff for us. We can also make a lot more armors now, so the number and variation types are more than we’ve ever had.

The armor slot for the greaves is gone now. At first glance, it seems like a loss...
But there's still the possibility that we get a different kind of armor/clothing customisation... perhaps it's possible to alter the apperance of the full armor item/set ... e.g smithing, tailoring

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:16 am

Because the Q&A was a series of assumptions made by Todd.

Pretty much. There were excellent questions asked. I could understand not wanting to spoil to much (not talking about the damn werewolves and vampire [censored]e) but there were other excellent questions asked theat could have been answered without completely ruining everything. Todd and gang would have been better off not responding to the questions at all. The PR would have been better for them. Even the most positive forum members pretty much feel the Q&A was lackluster in the most fawning doe eyed way.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:07 am

Okay, but, instead of looking at it in a completely pissy way, why not try to actually understand the changes and their motives? The removal of the three skills truly mean nothing to me... As for the armor, sure, Morrowinds system would have been nice but is in no means a necessity. I would gladly take better designed and varying armor than a few distinct suits from which you may strip your pants. And there are many other racial differences aside from "running speed" which is definitely a deal-breaker for me... Why soooo much negativity and complaining...? :shrug:

Understanding the motives doesn't mean I have to support them. Sure, selling more copies of the game is a reasonable motive, but it doesn't lead to the game I'd love to have.
As for why so much negativity - because it's negative.

What about all the stuff they added? We've learned of many new features the past 7 months since the world exclusive GI cover reveal.

Well, that's exactly the point. We don't know anything about how these 'new features' will actually affect the gameplay, so we have to give in to assumptions and dreamy-eyed optimism when we try to imagine them. I don't want to do that.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:06 am

Has any one yet seen two people with same exact armor on, I think the only two I've seen with the same exact armor was the leather armor but every thing else look very different and some upgraded, same bottom, different tops, it might just be me though.

Seriously I don't think any ones notice hence the complaints of stuff being simplified.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:56 am

Well, that's exactly the point. We don't know anything about how these 'new features' will actually affect the gameplay, so we have to give in to assumptions and dreamy-eyed optimism when we try to imagine them. I don't want to do that.

It's pretty easy to tell how Dragons and more attractive faces and Dual wielding will affect the game.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:07 am

Even the most positive forum members pretty much feel the Q&A was lackluster in the most fawning doe eyed way.

/shrug That's only your opinion of what other people's opinions are/should be.

Personally I thought the Q&A was pretty good, revealed a few new details and am glad they took the time to do it. And I certainly wouldn't say I'm terribly positive, I'm just not antagonistically unrealistic either.

» Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:30 pm

Seriously I don't think any ones notice hence the complaints of stuff being simplified.

You quote yourself?

notice what?

The stuff beeing simiplified is a fact , and its a common tendency of some of the majour game companies to adapt their PC succesfull games to consolles , so they involve the games instead of evolve them .... Look instead of what DICE is doing with their battlefield 3 , they explore new areas , implement new things and all for the PC , only secondary is a dumbed version for consolles , instead here we have the different logic , first consolle then we port what's portable to PC putting higher texture res and longer distance of view ... but nothing innovative compared to the Consolles because they can't handle many new modern features of the pcs....

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:41 am

This is an elder scrolls fan forum, right?

Who here has actually played the game? Who here has watched beyond E3? I have not, so I think it's only fair to give bethesda a chance to show a bit more before I go off the deep end about how they ruined the game. Seriously, you're basing all of this on scraps bethesda has revealed.

» Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:27 am

You know why I am going to love this game? Because I am just going to play it, and take it on it's own merits, rather than comparing everything in it to earlier games. Simple as that.

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