I was tinkering around at the Fort with console commands and decided to spawn 3 Vet Rangers. They shoot everybody down in the Fort no problem. Hey, whatever, just random Legionaires, no problem right? So I spawned 3 Centurions to take on those 3 rangers. The Cents got sent home in body bags. I sent another 3 after them, they took down 1 Ranger but that was it. Another 3 centurions come out, and another ranger dies, but the last ranger wipes out the other centurions. I marked this Ranger for death, nobody just barges into the Fort and attacks without getting away, right? I mean, this Ranger only has a Ranger Sequoia, nothing can go wrong, right? Se was to be executed Arena style. I spawned a Centurion, he dies. Another Centurion, he dies. How about another Cent? Nope, dead. Another? Nope. How about one more? Nope. The next Centurion barely finishes off the pistol toting ranger.


It took 6 centurions to take out 1 Ranger, and the Ranger survived a total of 15 Centurions, plus the Legionaires. before being felled by the 16th Centurion. I felt bad for the Ranger, so I rezzed her and I let her walk around the Fort freely. She earned it, no?


I didn't realize Centurions were that horrible. I think I just lost a lot of respect for the Legion.

I watch some videos on youtube bout stuff like this I lost respect for NCR,Legion and Brotherhood of Steel.

I don't even want to go into how completely overpowered Vet Rangers are, how underpowered the Legion is, and how biased the devs are. The Legion is completely underpowered, it is totally contradictory to the lore of the Legion. I may end up making a mod to make the Legion lore-accurate. Just look at the GECK, see how the devs purposefully made the Legionaries completely underpowered.

So true just look at the BoS and NCR's battles, it's so one sided.

The Legion were set up to look creepy and "evil" in new vegas. But if you think about it, they're about as evil and good as the NCR.

This.

How?

The NCR ranger veterans are really over powered, they scale with the PC which makes them really tough, plus they have that ranger toughness for 30% DR. They went overboard on them,

Compare the stats of the basic NCR trooper to a Legion solder. The basic NCR grunts sole advantage is post patch service rifle. The basic legion recruit has more hit points and a higher skill level. Only the patched service rifle saves them from death. Hopefully the next patch will give the legion a little boost, give a few more of them cowboy repeaters and the veterans the cowboy perk.

Actually, only Legion recruits have a higher base health. The base health of Primes and Vets are extremely low, the devs decided that, even though they are higher level, they should have the same health as recruits. Not to even mention how low level the supposedly high-ranking Legionaries are, i mean, seriously Centurions are level 12-16 and Vet Legionaries are 10 or below. It's pathetic how purposefully underpowered they are.

The people mainly. Just because one person was Legion and one was NCR, they were still themselves. The NCR forced they're beliefs on those around them the same as the Legion and "Caesar" was no different from any politician. I could go on, but you probably get the point.
The actual Rome (which the Legion was a disgrace to) wasn't good or evil as well and our military is certainly not good or evil.

Please do.

I would look forward to that.

If I knew how to make mods. I mean, I've given them proper levels and stats, fixed their equipment spawns and added a few weapons to their spawnlists like Trail Carbines for Vets 'n all, I'm trying to make a custom perk for Legionaries above Recruit rank to have innate 15% DR, like Ranger Toughness, only Legion-specific, also giving the Centurions 30% DR. I've also increased their speed to between 125% (Recruit) and 200% (Centurion).

You so gotta finish that one. :drool:
My own mod is erm.. Having a few complications with Khans... I have no idea how to give them reputation things so that if you kill them you lose Khans reputation. :'(

One thing I don't get is why the Devs gave all Legionaries "Brave" confidence level, while the NCR Rangers get "Foolhardy", I mean, isn't the idea of a Legionary that they are so brainwashed and loyal that they would never flee, especially Centurions, wtf Obsidian?

If you uploaded that to Fallout nexas I'd download it.

Going on infrastructures fiends first comment, there are so many methods that each "main" factions have in common, they're all just trying to invade end of. The legion I beloved though, commandant, are judged more on method than means. Because if you look at it from that view, the ncr wants Vegas simple as that. The legion wants to simply better it although the means are, excessive. I agrees with what happened to Nipton

Don't mess with the rangers, you have no idea the kind of hurting we can put on you. And even though I agree that the Legion is underpowered compared to their lore its still canon that a ranger beat a centurian in unarmed combat when Stella did it in the arena at the fort.

We know it is canon that Stella can beat a Centurion, not any Ranger, she was special, the devs gave her tons of unarmed perk, Stella IS NOT the norm, it is more likely that any Centurion should be more adept at close combat than a Ranger. I guess I should let it be known that I buffed regular Rangers in my game, not because they needed it, but because they were level scaled, which is stupid, so I fixed them at level 20, with Vet Legionaries.

Spawn some deathclaws lol. I'm using veteran desert ranger armor and have like 1 hp every deathclaw swipe. Give them some skirts and wallah, Legion lizard squad