You ignored what I said.
The reviews would be worse because it's obviously a step backwards, but my point is that if you were to take a general pole, Fallout 3 it would be voted higher because people are stupid.
That's right, I've lost all hope in humanity.

I think as far as weapon mods and side quests go, Fallout New Vegas was better.
However, I enjoyed the Main story of Fallout 3 infinitely more as well as the world.





There are a few tiny gripes that holds Fallout 3 over New Vegas for me, but the main reason is the setting.

Why would they take a desert - a bare dead place with little life and make it more bare, more dead, and more devoid of life.
Seemed incredibly stupid to me. And yes, I know Las Vegas is huge and lively and blah blah blah
Still doesn't make sense.

I loved FO3 better than NV. You made some very good points but If you couldn't fast travel in skyrim (If they had hardcoe mode) people would blow their brains out.

My feelings exactly.



The bit with Caesar not 'checking up' is a weak point of sorts, but there's limits on what you can do when you're making quests, particularly branching ones. To script such an event in incorporate it properly would have been extraordinarily difficult for the developers, and doing it right would have been a challenge in itself. C'mon, we get really good quests as it is in NV, but we can't have everything.

As for factions and stories and exploration, perhaps it comes down more to personal taste here. I like stories with politics, multiple factions, opinions and morally grey areas, so I really liked what New Vegas gave me. Perhaps you don't like those things so much, which is why NV didn't win you over like it did for me. I didn't think that FO3's story was terrible by any means either, I just compare it to NV and IMO NV is far better.

With exploration, I am a big fan of it, and I think NV failed big time in that regard, but I tend to value story over exploration which is why I think NV is better. I'll mention too that I only really still only consider NV FO3 with a better story and the concepts from FO3's better mods integrated into it (and gambling). Futhermore, I think the FO3 mods that NV drew its ideas from (such as Craft and WMK) does it better than NV does, which is why I still play a FWE/MMM/WMK modded install of FO3v today but haven't touched NV for a while now. But in their vanilla form, I would rather play NV.

I agree and ONLY agree to your SUGGESTIONS for ADDITIONS. Nothing else. But I do want those features in Skyrim.

A survival mode definitely needs to be in the game. I mean.. they go through the trouble of creating all those foodstuffs and then give you no reason to use them. They just sit there and maybe fall off a table if you bump into it. Some might be useful in some potion that you hardly ever use. But once you add in the factor that you need those items to survive you find yourself studying them and weighing the options on whether you should pick them up, buy them or steal them.
It seems a waste not to have a survival mode.






Because the first games took place in the west.. they simply went back to their roots.. The whole wasteland/fallout story took place in the west (tactics in the midwest) before Bethesda.

Bethesda should take one thing from Obsidian if you cater to a niche market you will have to lay people off.

Ya it wasn't intended for that, I was speaking my mind and it sounded a little harsher once I re-read it... oops on my part.

But I am always with Bethesda. I love what they do, and have basically deemed them my favorite game company. I have played new vegas, but I didn't like it. I liked fallout 3 better (even though I'm not a big fan of the fallout series) and before I even knew who made new vegas I just thought bethesda might have missed the target on the game. I then find out that another game company designed a bunch of the stuff in the game, and I thought... That makes sense. I don't know... I find obsidian to be a little too cartoonie for me. Bethesda's stuff felt more real for me when I played it.

If BGS could fit writing like Planescape: Torment into one of their games... my head would explode.

A fantastic game.

And it has unexpectorant dialog at times.
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i dont think a hardcoe mode is really that necessary, this is a complete fantasy game, obsidian added a hardcoe survival mode for NV because that was a more-or-less realistic situation, the world becoming a huge wasteland in a post-apocalyptic event.



oblivion's expansion, shivering isles, gave us the ability to use disguises before fallout new vegas was even being made... we could disguise ourselves as heretics, zealots, and apostles... so dont act like obsidian's the first to have done it, when bethesda already did something like that, before they did.



while i doubt we'll be doing exactly what NV did, skyrim already has the feature of smithing our own weapons confirmed, we can apparently choose which type of weapon to make and with which materials, im pretty sure... this is a COMPLETELY different series, remember... so dont expect us to be able to add sniper scopes on our swords or whatever.




i honestly, doubt there will be anymore ideas that could possibly fit all that well in skyrim... besides, even if there was, if its not already in, its not going to make it... the game is four months away.

Interplay wins then. Fallout 1 demo.....yes I remember that.

Except if you got too close they would turn hostile. Those disguises were nowhere near as effective as they were in NV, in fact, they felt pretty much useless.

Interplay killed Fallout. Black Isle developed it.

Negative. Interplay made F1

Bethesda certainly learned that game world design does matter. New Vegas is hideous to the eye, despite it's slightly upgraded graphical enhancements. Primm, Goodsprings, Jacobstown.... the list of poorly designed locations goes on and on. They also probably learned that filling the world with generic "Goodsprings Settler" is a big no-no. Then of course.... who can forget the invisible walls.

On the positive side, they hopefully took a page out of Chris Avellone's book and wrote a better script. Avellone is a legend when it comes to writing, and I think it's clear to see in Obsidian's games. I shudder to think how bad Obsidian would be without Avellone, and how good Bethesda would be if they picked him up and added him to the TES team.

The same thing could be said of all of Bethesda's games. And unlike Obsidian, outside of some early token patch, or a quick fix to get rid of something game-breaking, they don't even try to repair them.


Eh, I thought the "path" in Fallout 3 was incredibly dumb. No explanation for how or why the Brotherhood and Enclave had come all the way to opposite side of the country was even attempted. Super Mutants served absolutely no purpose, they were just there. The plot to make a big-ass water purifier was ridiculous beyond belief to anyone with basic knowledge of how radiation works (now there's an idiot plot). The whole story was more or less just a rough pastiche of the first two games. And there's a general lack of cohesion in the world; if clean water is so scarce and basic survival is so hard in the Capital Wasteland, as the main quest likes to claim, why don't any of the quests, main and side, address that? Why do they instead involve doing silly things like stopping superhero wannabes, or fighting mutated fire-breathing ants?

And Little Lamplight. Just Little Lamplight. :shakehead:

Beth already done that. In Oblivion's Shivering Isles. What is that quest along the main quest you have to get a eye. There are couple of ways in doing it and one of them is wear a robe from a certain faction so they will not attack you. If you wear your everyday armour through that quest they would of attack you.