A point about Tes Universe : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:23 am

I dunno what got into me but today i toke notice of something about the world of TES. As anyone ever discovered the Wheel?
I searched pictures and topics about it and i can't find anything that confirms that at some point they happen to discover this technology.
Its completely silly to even be interested in this, i know! But how odd is it that a world at that technological age as not seen the use of the Wheel?

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:44 am

Their Gods didn't have adequate technology. Anyway, I think you could have a carriage in Daggerfall, yes?

» Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:36 pm

they had wheels in oblivion, but more to your point I doubt the discovery of the wheel was just as well documented as it was here on earth

» Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:19 pm

bananas!
the wheel was discovered in the stone age, it was smthn not really necessary to be put in any tes games. cause you dont see shipments of food or weapons being tallied around by a stable, or a count or countess traveling in a Cari ban, shops had automatic refills, royalty never had to travel so its count unnecessary, maybe in skyrim wheels will have had more of an affect in life

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:43 am

You wouldn't have roads without having invented the wheel. As there are roads, then there are wheels.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:19 am

it's as non-relevant as the reason they haven't explained the discovery of masonry, mining, farming etc... these are all givens and do not need an explanation.

of course if you want to get all metaphysical, you need to have achieved CHIM before you can discover the real wheel, which is to say the 'I'

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:55 am

How were Daggerfall wagons supposed to work without wheels?

[@Sockola reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXAaDqPl7oY.]

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:30 am

Seriously? You are asking about the invention of the wheel? :facepalm:

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:18 am

In a world that has magic I don't think a weel is a big discovery anyways.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:30 am

I'm pretty sure it was "discovered" when the need for it developed

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:32 am

it's as non-relevant as the reason they haven't explained the discovery of masonry, mining, farming etc... these are all givens and do not need an explanation.

I think you're right, the wheel isn't really something whose discovery needs to be discussed because it exists in real life and is so mundane that I doubt most audiences care how people in the Elder Scrolls discovered it unless there's some really interesting story behind it. And as has been said, we've seen wheels in Elder Scrolls games before, just because the invention of something in a fictional world isn't explained in detail doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And in any case, this probably fits more in Elder Scrolls lore since it doesn't partain directly to Skyrim.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:46 am

Great observation OP. I believe the Dwemers knew about wheels, aside from that they appear rare.

You wouldn't have roads without having invented the wheel. As there are roads, then there are wheels.

Roads are for walking, and riding horses.

I think roads do not imply wheels.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:46 am

How were Daggerfall wagons supposed to work without wheels?

[@Sockola reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXAaDqPl7oY.]

lol, nice, I love fractals. What I was talking about is actually apart of the lore though - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/more-psijic-endeavor

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:29 am

Yes, they've discovered the wheel. In the videos you can see Alvor (sp?) using a grinding wheel.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:15 am

"Twenty-one rusted, mud-spattered wagons with rotting wood and wobbly wheels sat half-sunk in the soft earth ahead." From the Argonian Account, book 2.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:46 am

There's a http://youtu.be/ic6dKnv3WdU?t=4m59s in the background in the video, so I assume if they have water wheels then they have normal wheels as well.

Edit: As Fizziii pointed out, he's also using a grinding wheel. 2 wheels for the price of one.

» Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:46 pm

Its not completely irrelevant, the Incas never discovered the wheel. Didnt need to, with such mountainous country. That being said, there are allusions to wheels in most of the games. It just wasnt worth the polygon count. You think there we no horses in morrowind because they didnt put them in? werewolves in cyrodil (sp?) Theres the lore and theres the games, and you have to play the games realizing that what you see is limited by very real hardware constraints.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:27 am

Who needs a wheel when you can fast travel :tongue:

In all seriousness though, I'd come to the conclusion that the wheel exists for draw bridges and the such (and I believe the game has carriages, right?), but the whole environment isn't mapped out with brick roads. It makes more sense to utilize a horse as a lot of travel is off-road, up mountains, small trails, etc. etc.

EDIT: btw, I assumed the OP comments about the wheel were in reference to "where are the horse drawn wagons?"

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:15 am

What created the Tower?
The Wheel created it. The Wheel is the structure of this universe, and it is easiest to see it that way: rim, spokes, hub, and all the spaces within and without. I shall take each in turn.

What created the Wheel?
Anu and Padhome, stasis and change, both vast realms sitting in the void, they created it. Not vast, infinite, as the void was infinite. Imagine an infinity enclosed by another; you come away with a bubble. Now watch as the two bubbles touch. Their intersection is a perfect circle of pattern and possibility that we shall call the Aurbis. The Aurbis is the foundation of the Wheel.

What are the spaces within and without of the Wheel?
Outside the wheel is the void, bereft of anything. It cannot be named. If it has more aspects than stasis and change, they are outside of true language. Inside of the Wheel is the Aurbis, as I have explained.

What is the rim of the Wheel?
As the process of subcreation continued, both Anu and Padhome awakened. For to see your antithesis is to finally awaken. Each gave birth to their souls, Auriel and Sithis, and these souls regarded the Aurbis each in their own part, and from this came the etada, the original patterns. These etada eventually congealed.

What is the hub of the Wheel?
We are the hub, the Mundus that goes by many names. We are the heart of all creation. What does this mean? Why should we care? Lorkhan created it so that we could find what he did. In fact, and here is the secret: the hub is the reflection of its creators, the circle within the circle, only the border to ours is so much easier to see. Stand in its flux and remain whole of mind. Look at it sideways and see the “I”.

This is the Tower.

Hope that helps. Wheels are kind of complicated in TES.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:44 am

EDIT: btw, I assumed the OP comments about the wheel were in reference to "where are the horse drawn wagons?"

Well.. it did actually start by that question

, i just then realized there's little record of use of wheels in TES, but as somebody said there are Windmills. Just strangely enough they didn't figure the other uses of wheels maybe.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:38 am

you could have a carriage in Daggerfall

This.

» Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:10 am

Hope that helps. Wheels are kind of complicated in TES.

This is true.

But to the OP, [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IihlvQBAqf0/TVIKTpCQvRI/AAAAAAAAAWg/sdlJBxf8TF0/s640/Morrowind+2011-02-08+21-37-49-97.jpg[/img], wheels existed in Morrowind. But the PC has little/no use for them, so its really not important.

edit: Sorry for the [censored] picture, that was the best I could find at the moment. But I do believe those to be wheels on those carts.