Well you already have them in a video of how they are in the vanilla game, you can just link them to that and show them you're not biased against the NCR.

Oh wow, that guy on youtube is accusing me of stealing white impact text from NPCWars.

That was so ridiculous, hundreds of people on Youtube use that!

Even popular people like Criken use it, it's really common.

Yeah that was a good laugh.

Nerfing the Rangers wouldn't be biased, it would be logical.(?)

I say do it, it's hard to believe that a BoS Paladin in armor that is dubbed "walking tank" can be killed so easily.

I'm just not sure how to start.

I would personally start by either reducing/removing the Ranger Toughness perk, a little bit over the top in my opinion. Then possibly giving them variants of the brush guns and Sequoias with lower damages.

I'm just not sure, I mean, they are the top tier of the NCR, so they should have top tier weapons to match their 100 Guns skill. I don't want to touch Ranger Toughness because I changed it to Veteran Toughness and gave it to Vet Rangers, Centurions, Praetorians, and Vexillarius'. And it doesn't make sense for them to have inherently inferior equipment, i may just end up adding a small DT multiplier to .45-70 to simulate its poor armor penetration.

Maybe the Guns skill could be toned down to 90, there armors DT weakened to about 14, their DR perk should be brought down from 30% to 20%, the armor's ridiculous HP of 600 should be brought down to about 350, and they should be armed with a http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger_Sequoia and an http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle or a http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brush_gun... That's all I can think of.

I don't see how it is the same thing. There are probally a good 10-20 people who make these. There are also many videos that area like on youtube,

Good job Mako. :tops:



With the anti-materiel rifle the vet ranger would have a decent chance, as it is meant to pierce armor not human skulls. But then again veteran rangers wouldn't just walk up to some paladins and start shooting.

Eh, if you remove the perk then all the people you gave it to would be on as equal footing as they were when they had it, yet less invincible to others. (That or give something similar to BoS Paladins. Paladin Toughness anyone?)

Well the Centurion Armor is too high as well IMO. Though it has lower leg protection, most of it is pieces of junk armor. It looks like 20dt to me.

If you give the rangers 18dt 100% trail carbines, (rangers are not going to let their weapons go) 44 mags, amrs, and a couple with 100% hunting shotties, but leave their skill and perks they should be fine.

To not piss of ncr fans I d just say the 45/70 is just plain fake in damage. Look at bullets on wiki, and it shows the Joules of every bullet, and the 45/70 is just way too powerful in game.

Then nerf the Centurion armor to 20dt. I think they would get brand new never used weapons for major battles, so Id give them 100% assualt carbines and amrs, hunting rifles, and always throw at least 2 in with a thermic lances or what ever those things are.

Uh... Centurion armor is 17 DT in the base game, it's weaker than Vet armor, even though it appears superior.

I still stand behind this!

I don't think the Centurion armor is that good from its looks. The one Power Armor shoulder throws me off sometimes giving it the appearence to be better, but the bulk of it, the chest if just a super mutant master chest. Then the rest seems leathery, except the legs, but those just seem to be metal version of combat armor legs.

EDIT: Centurion armor has 18 DT.

Super Mutant armor is very thick solid metal, that's good chest armor, his leggings are combat armor, his arm solid metal with reinforced ceramics, all implemented into his Legion armor, and Ranger armor patching it all together.

Master's have 15 DT in New Vegas, so plus the arm and combat legs with the ranger sash thing, I think 18 seems appropriate 19 or 20 would have been fine too. The rest seems to be cloth or leather.

EDIT: Super mutants of all kind in New Vegas have that same piece of chest armor, so it could be a normal one's, a brute's, or a master's.

After looking it up they all have the same DT, so it doesn't matter, 15 DT

I still back this idea up.

I always assumed that the Centurions would use guns as a last resort, and would rely on Thermic Lances and Super Sledges first. Maybe instead of nerfing the Rangers, make the Cents more melee oriented, but give them perks such as slayer, super slam, unstoppable force and ninja, with a little higher health to compensate for the fact they have to close the gap to reach their target? I always assumed the last thing you would want is to get close to a Centurion. I had always pegged the Rangers as people who would mow down Legion Recruits with their Brush Guns and outright put holes in them, but would get swarmed by Centurions and would smash the Ranger's skulls in. Kind of like this image [img]http://newvegasnexus.com/imageshare/images/2181787-1310563387.png[/img]


I don't know, I may be wrong but that's the assumption I was always under.

with the helmet it has 22 I think..... hold on let me look.

With helmets

vet ranger 24dt
centurion 23dt

Imo they are both too high
vet ranger 18dt
centurion 20dt IMO

23=18+5