Auriel/Akatosh/Alduin is Lorkhan's (thus, by extension, Talos's) antithesis, and any thesis in the TES universe requires its antithesis. Talos wouldn't "begin" to lose definition, he'd instantly become undefined. That, and it's tricky using phrases like "begin to" or anything else that requires the presence of time when you're talking if time blew up.

to prove they are nothing but imperial propaganda and that they svck

Well, he was the original push. He made Newton happy in pants.

In all likelihood, the PC will reenact what Shor did and force Alduin back into his place.

INVADE AETHERIUS! BURN IT DOWN TO THE MORTAL REALM! KILL THE GODS!

Yeah, it's the khajiit pantheon that's really in charge

OT: No.

The aedra aren't there. So unless you're gunning for magnus, I think you'll be dissapoint.

Why not go a step further and eliminate both the gods and the daedra? They both have interfered in the affairs of mortals...by being rid of both we would finally be unburdened by their presence.

i shall call my character fred and he will make the Gods dead

Thanks for the clarification. They do manage physical representations. I'm assuming Alduin may be one of Akatosh's.

Dwemer tried being unburdened. Their success is still in dispute. CHIM would be another way to achieve it, but it depends if you think Vivec obtained it or not. Hell, Shor's whole point of Mundus was to allow mortals to reach the highest state.

Also, for the love of the Chaos gods! Akatosh is the result of Alessia's politicking. Alduin/Auriel are the original incarnations of the time god. It's even in the in-game books.

No, why would I kill the very things I worship?

I want to walk up to the gods and do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb4jn5y94g

The problem with killing Daedra and assuming their mantles of power is that their power is tied to their persona and the persona affects you directly if you assume their role. If you were to become Sheogorath then you would become mad as well.

But like daedric-order could change and become its opposite daedric-chaos... well, its possible to change the persona but you'd need to be as powerful as the other daedric princes combined to do that. It took all of them to do what you know they did to you know who. I dont want to ruin anything for those who dont know what we know.

So by taking on the persona of each and every Daedric Prince and Princess you might not be quite intact.... and you cant just kill them, someone else could assume their role - otherwise they would eventually come back together and be restored.

You wouldn't exist without them, that's not a very nice way to show gratitude for your creation....... :nono:

The Aedra barely lift a finger beyond healing you when you pray at one of their shrines.

Then they too must die.

But killing Mara would be very interesting. I imagine she would be constantly healing so you would have to rip out her heart and perhaps consume it. Its not cannibalism if she isnt human anymore. Lorkhan's heart was the key to godhood in Morrowind 3 so... it makes sense that removing it and using it would be the key to taking on one of the Nine's power.

Should Vivec be considered the ultimate source on this? He says "perhaps" he did it for that reason. Altmer think he did it because that since he is Sithis incarnate, he is "0" incarnate, and feels the drive to limit everything. The Monomyth says Men believe it allows them to achieve immortality, but Varieties of Faith turns around and says it's the Dunmer that believe that the Endeavor is the goal.

Imperials believe that he created it so lesser spirits could have choice, and Nords change their minds a lot, so they probably do not have a consistent view. Bretons and Redguards hate the Space God.

Also, OP: We never killed a god in it's divine state. The Tribunal was weakened, Ur was immortal until you severed him from the Heart, and Jygalagg wasn't killed. The Eight and One are connected to Mundus, destroying them would have unfortunate affects. The Missing Ninth is dead, but he used his Heart to keep Mundus alive.

And Talos has CHIM, which gives him the power of a lucid dreamer. Unlike Vehk, who might have it, we know this guy has it.

Hey, I'll believe anything good about Shor; he hates elves as much as I do :celebration:

If we can kill gods im naming my next TES character Kratos.

Completely agree. I prefer when you never entirely outgrow a threat, or become able to challenge things far beyond mortal understanding.

But the Endeavor, and therefore CHIM, is a Velothi idea...therefore, dunmer/chimer, and thus elven.

The Chimer/Dunmer are a special case of mer, though, as they're fans of Lorkhan.

Word of god says Vivec attained CHIM, so I think that gives him a deal of credibility.

Talos doesn't have CHIM, he mantled Lorkhan. Different Walking Ways.

But they're still elves. I've noticed a lot of people saying Men believe in the Endeavor, which I can't find evidence for beyond one Monomyth quote.



He says perhaps he did it for those reasons (rather, he says perhaps he failed on purpose, he seems pretty sure about it being an attempt at CHIM). Which implies he isn't sure. And yeah, Vivec has CHIM, and the Trial proves it. But some don't consider it canon, so I said he might have it to avoid an argument over the obscure stuff.

I don't think Vivec is wrong, and CHIM does give him credibility.



"CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled." - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mythic-dawn-commentaries

"'You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.'" - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos. This alone implies it way Thu'um, but the Commentaries say it was CHIM.

"I will say that, CHIM or not, there is no evidence that either Talos nor Vehk achieved Amaranth. If they did, Tamriel would be in their rearview mirror. The Amaranth deserves its own topic, really. Its core concept is the most divisive among the mystics, in my opinion. " -http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride

He did both, apparently.

The Gods are the Eight (er, Nine) spokes on the cosmic wheel. Kill them, and you best kiss Tamriel goodbye. They're the vertebrae and skull amongst the earthbones, keeping all our gooey mortal goodness nice and safe, with noble Shezarr as our loving heart.

That's why I say to bloody hell and damnation with those Altmer ponces! Praise the Dragonborn! Talos Lives!

Aedra are not really like Daedra, you know...you cant just stumble upon them and fight them.