I found Honest Hearts quite offensive...

Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:43 pm

Not to be racist, but it's generally considered that 'tribals' are a simpler people. Most people don't expect sophistication and class from a primitive civilization.

But still, this being a video game it has no actual connectivity to the real world. It's kind of like people stereotyping themselves. Take the Pitt for example. Anyone could have said it was racist and laughs in face of people who died to fight slavery. The head of all the slavery operations is an African man (Asher, is his name right?). Anyone could say it was racist because it laughs in the face of people who died to fight slavery, making an African man the head of slavery to show the ironic-ness. But that's simply over anolyzing.

Same thing here. You're sort of stereotyping yourself saying your race is portrayed as the White-legs, Dead Horses and Sorrows. Unless there is something blatantly stating that all native and tribal races are to be portrayed by these characters, we can't assume they were. So for now, it's just your own stereotyping making you feel oppressed.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that white, or 'non-colored' races can easily do what you're doing now. Saying Joshua Graham is a racist portrayal of their race. But people don't seem to connect racism to non-colored races for some reason. So, what I'm point out is just because you're colored or a race beside 'white' it doesn't mean only you can be discriminated against. People can be racist to blacks, asians, hispanics, etc. Whites are also in that mix, just so you know.
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Becky Palmer
 
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:16 am

Yes, finding it offensive is hypersensitive.

Why would you be offended by the Zion tribals, but not offended by a character that can commit acts of violence against anyone he comes across?

Lighten up - it's a game.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:13 am

i saw nothing wrong with that? what are you referring to?

Well, they sure hit the Asians pretty hard. You had your companion screaming in your ear the whole time. I don't have a prob with any of them, because I see these games for what they are...Games.. But you could easily point your finger at it before HH. And, this is coming from a Native American.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:47 pm

I'm offended by the fact that you killed aliens in Mothership Zeta, clearly racist!
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Cesar Gomez
 
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:38 pm

its just a game
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:20 pm

I don't know maybe I'm just being oversensitive.


You are. I'm Native American and I saw nothing wrong with it.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:20 am

Some of you are assuming the "tribals" in the game are non-whites. I don't see why you'd assume that. I assumed they're just plain-old white-or-whatever Americans who were separated from the rest of civilization. If you took a bunch of people from Wyoming and cut them off from the rest of the world and had them live of the land, wouldn't they become "tribal" as well?

Also, as someone else pointed out, there's a certain amount of intentional stereotyping and racism in the game. It's called satire.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:26 pm

Some of you are assuming the "tribals" in the game are non-whites. I don't see why you'd assume that. I assumed they're just plain-old white-or-whatever Americans who were separated from the rest of civilization. If you took a bunch of people from Wyoming and cut them off from the rest of the world and had them live of the land, wouldn't they become "tribal" as well?

Also, as someone else pointed out, there's a certain amount of intentional stereotyping and racism in the game. It's called satire.

I pointed the colored, non-colored argument out because they OP is talking about how it's racist to tribal and Native Americans. Tribals are non-white in real life. Or at least I think so. But the tribals in the game look pretty white, as you've pointed out. And it's true, you're technically a tribal if you're not in mainstream civility, I suppose.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:53 pm

its just a game

This.

Now go with the spirit of the buffalo, young Astraea.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:25 pm

In actuality, many Europeans were tribal in early history. The first Romans weren't the rulers of Italy - they came from a small area and conquered their way up. Most of human society had a tribal phase in their history.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:42 pm

The crashed school bus is where those indians are from they were raised by a man who was the survivalist. Those indian are decendants of the children who survived the crash. Taking into account young children are not very smart, for them to basically raise themselfs most children would adopt theyre suroundings which os exactly what they have done. You cant expect them to be very smart cut of from any means of civilization for so long.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:22 am

The crashed school bus is where those indians are from they were raised by a man who was the survivalist. Those indian are decendants of the children who survived the crash. Taking into account young children are not very smart, for them to basically raise themselfs most children would adopt theyre suroundings which os exactly what they have done. You cant expect them to be very smart cut of from any means of civilization for so long.


No one survived the bus crash, the tribals wondered into zion as stated in the survivalists log they were still mostly young children with the oldest being around 15, they did basically raise themselves with some help from the survivalists hence their view about the sacred old world buildings and caves where he dwelled, their language is a pigeon language created when two or more groups who don't speak the same language have to interact with one another there are several historical examples. I still haven't heard a rational argument as to why anyone see's HH as racist.
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Grace Francis
 
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:27 pm

Its not racist
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:46 pm

ooga booga
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:19 pm

One of the central plot elements of Fallout 3 was an anti-communist robot bent on killing the Chinese. It also has a DLC revolving around killing Chinese communist invaders. Fallout 1's opening has American soldiers executing innocent Canadian protestors when America invaded and annexed Canada. The latest DLC includes evidence of American war-crimes with a Chinese prison camp. The theme of prejudice is prevalent throughout the series with hate towards mutants, too. I wouldn't worry about a stereotypical tribe in this game when no one takes offence to what I just listed. The game developers would never mean to offend anyone, the stereotypes and prejudice just add depth and are relatable to history, but are not intended to relate to the players personally (because I would hope the devs don't want to cater to the racist portion of the fanbase). My two cents, I just say enjoy the game and shrug off the offense. The tribes in Zion wouldn't be too memorable if they were just another tribe of white guys with neutral accents :)
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:49 pm

You know what offends me? People trying to drag race into every little thing no matter how little sense it makes, which in this case is none.
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:12 pm

I didnt find it offensive or racist at all, i thought the dlc was rather well done, my only problems with it was that is was short and that although you can go back anytime, there isnt any point.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:20 am

You know what offends me? People trying to drag race into every little thing no matter how little sense it makes, which in this case is none.


You, fine Sir, get a cookie!
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Post » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:11 pm

You know what offends me? People trying to drag race into every little thing no matter how little sense it makes, which in this case is none.

+10.

^^^^ What Apex said.
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